Gerrymander based on ideology instead of race

[Waterglass]

Well fuck screw me all to hell for the semantic difference.

And what's next up in government class?

Its got nothing to do with Semantics. 

Based on your use of language here that I cant use as a member of the serf class you are a real tiger! Your obviously decendent of privilege. NEXT UP IS ONE PERCENTER PRIVILEGE!

"One percenter" privilege refers to the immense economic, social, and political advantages held by the top 1% of households, who possess over $13.7 million in net worth or earn over $659,000 annually as of 2026. This group controls a massive share of global wealth, with the richest 1% holding more assets than the rest of the world combined"

[Harte]

Party registration makes it hard on independents, Americas largest affiliation.

I based Tennessee on the 34% Harris recieved in the popular vote, along with total registered and other results and came to 1/4 democrat being fair. 2 districts being fair. 

Likewise with California, the 1/3 was an average of total registration and Trump getting over 40% of the popular vote. 

Not exacting. 

Its more pie in the sky, admittedly, but its not fair for Tennessee to eliminate ALL blue districts anymore than it is for California to whittle it down to 5 red districts. 

Its bullshit to see meandering jigsaw districts working their way across the state. Not local representation anymore.

Memphis is now barely represented and at the mercy of 3 republican districts like the conservative Central Valley in CA is at the mercy of Coastal Pelosistan. 

Memphis deserves a local rep that reflects the city like central farmers need a rep not also covering somewhere liberal and non-agricultural. 

Its not good either way. Fuck it all, no matter how time honored it is.

How is it that you know that Memphis won't get a "local rep?"

I think you are making assumptions based on your personal bias.

The fact is, I live less than two miles from the Memphis city limits.
Memphis REALLY needs help. They haven't gotten it from the Democrats, which have held the seat for FIFTY FKN YEARS STRAIGHT.
But, according to you, no one else deserves to give it a try.

Harte

[DBCowboy]

I guess it's war now.

Democrats want to pack the courts, fire judges who don't obey the left's party line, they want to go nuclear in the senate, add DC and PR as states, abolish the Electoral College, to permanently control all power in the US.

[BeyondKnowledge]

I guess it's war now.

Democrats want to pack the courts, fire judges who don't obey the left's party line, they want to go nuclear in the senate, add DC and PR as states, abolish the Electoral College, to permanently control all power in the US.

I am not liking your comment because I like what you are saying. I am liking it because this is totally obvious.

I don't think most people want political war but the leaders of the Democrats want to force it on us. 

They don't work with others or play nice together.

[DBCowboy]

I am not liking your comment because I like what you are saying. I am liking it because this is totally obvious.

I don't think most people want political war but the leaders of the Democrats want to force it on us. 

They don't work with others or play nice together.

Yeah.  THEY keep screaming that we're "not united" but that means we still disagree with their policies.

They won't stop until they are in complete control.

By any means necessary.

It's a Civil war, just fought differently.

[chr0naut]

Think you for providing some of the back story of the ideas behind several world governments. Including the rantings of a woman that was under the affects of toxic gas, the Delphic Orical. That has been proven. I have nothing against her being a woman but she was under chemical influences at the time.  

George Washington used laudanum, an opiate derivative, and liked Madeira wine. John Adams liked his beer, wine, and rum. Thomas Jefferson grew opium poppies at his Monticello mansion, mixing the opium with quinine to help relieve his frequent headaches, and for diarrhoea. Martin Van Buren drank so much that his nickname was 'Blue Whiskey Van'. John Tyler self-treated with calomel, a toxic compound that contains mercury. Franklin Pierce drank a lot, and when his term of presidency was over, he said: “There is nothing left… but to get drunk.” James Buchanan was a heavy drinker who usually drank several bottles of alcohol in the course of an evening. Andrew Johnson was notably drunk during his inauguration, and had several bouts of drunkenness in office. Ulysses S Grant, smoked a lot - during one battle in the Civil War, he famously smoked twenty cigars in one day - He was also was a heavy drinker and, unsurprisingly, died of throat cancer. Chester A. Arthur was a heavy drinker. Grover Cleveland drank four to eight beers a day. Benjamin Harrison was treated for nervous breakdown with quinine, strychnine, and iron, while in office. Franklin D Roosevelt famously liked scotch and brandy, and ended prohibition. Harry S Truman preferred wine and bourbon. John F. Kennedy regularly took testosterone, used LSD and marijuana, enjoyed cigar smoking, and drank - his father also made a fortune selling bootleg booze during the prohibition. Richard M. Nixon was a frequent drinker, and used the drug phenytoin (Dilantin). Gerald Ford favoured gin and tonic and smoked eight pipes of tobacco a day. Bill Clinton used marijuana as a young man but famously insisted that while he did smoke it, he "did not inhale" - there are also rumours that he used cocaine. George W. Bush was known to drink heavily in his youth, and he is reported to have used cocaine prior to 1974. Barack H. Obama as a young man, reportedly used marijuana and cocaine and at times drank heavily. Donald Trump takes Adderall, cocaine, benzodiazepines (Valium and Xanax), Ambien and Provigil (Modafinil) - (sources for the Trump list of drugs are the books "Trump on the Couch" (2018) by Dr. Justin Frank, MD, "Disloyal: A Memoir" (2020) by Michael Cohen, "Too Much and Never Enough" (2020) by Mary L. Trump, "I’ll Take Your Questions Now" (2021) by Stephanie Grisham, "The Room Where It Happened" (2020) by John Bolton, and "Rage" (2020) by Bob Woodward. ).

You value the openion of Harvard even with their recent history?  Many law agencies won't hire their graduattes.

OK, as a thought experiment, I want you to imagine yourself in a position as a hirer working for a big law firm, and you have a lot of candidates from all over, with one or two of them Harvard graduates. Their CV's are really good (as one might expect) and several of the seniors in the law firm are ex-Harvard. Do you really think you are just going to reject the Harvard applicants off-hand?

Nope. No law firm is going to reject applicants because one of the previous top law schools has slipped in the rankings. Especially if they are aware of the obvious political motivation behind the allegations:

Tracking Trump's Crackdown on Higher Education

The whole idea of law firms not employing graduates from Harvard is clearly the kind of obviously lying un-reasoned propaganda that the Trump administration is coming out with.

I recently watched an Economics lecture by a professor who had also previously had a government office in the administrations of the Reagan and Bush Presidencies. He wasn't too happy about Trump's tariffs, but after the lecture, he opened it up for questions, and one of the audience said their grandparents were academics who escaped Germany in the 1930's and asked "Should we run. Should we leave the country"? The lecturer replied that "75% of Americans were living hand-to-mouth and simply can't afford escape". - WTF? The people most in the know are afraid of what Trump is doing - afraid to the point that they want to drop everything and run.

Trump knows what he is doing with this.

No. He doesn't. He seems to get random unreasoned ideas into his head and despite the advice of others, he just pushes forward until it fails, and then he either forgets it, or it was all someone else's fault. Like the Epstein stuff. Or the Obama not being American stuff. Or when he stopped the promised weapons shipments to Ukraine and then blamed Hegseth...

Also none of it would be allowed if only Trump wanted it done.

Yeah, he's a noted disallower.

He is not a monarch.

He isn't Presidential, either.

The laws are now being followed not changed. Straightened out if you will, after being severely bent by recent governmental decisions.

I don't know, the laws and statutes are pretty clear and concise.

And he has broken them fairly directly and obviously. Even the Supreme Court judges agree.

What is this 237 years you are referring to exactly? Our constitution was amended in 1992. That is how we change it. You really need to keep up with current events of what you bring up.

Yeah, whoop, they ensured their already too high political salaries could not be reduced. How is that helpful to the American people? Why is it a Constitutional level law and not just Federal statute? I see political corruption in that, do you?

... and yet your country has a massive gun death problem but you still can't seem to strike or amend the enabling law that allegedly is there to encourage armed civil disobedience, crime and domestic terrorism.

[ANNEE]

I've mentioned before my mom was a Polio victim - in the 51/52 epidemic.

This was 38 years before the Disability Act was signed in 1990.

We were treated terribly -- much the same as the way LGBT were treated before protection laws.

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1981 -- On this date, less than a week after the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the House of Representatives passed the Fair Housing Act of 1968
1981 – Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA) expands protections against sex, race, color, religion, national origin, marital status, or age in credit transactions
1982 – Civil Rights Restoration Act reinstates federal enforcement of Title VI and Title VII, closing loopholes that allowed discrimination to persist 
1990 – ADA (as above) becomes law, marking a major expansion of civil rights protections
1993 – Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) signed by President Clinton, providing federal funding and legal tools to combat gender-based violence
2004 – Civil Rights Act of 2004 signed by President Bush, strengthening enforcement of civil rights laws and addressing employment discrimination
2015 – Obergefell v. Hodges Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide, requiring states to recognize it 

This is just some Legal Acts/Laws past by our government for fair equal rights and treatment.

No matter how or how much one professes their self-righteous ideology.

There is only one reality -- Equality has to be forced.

[BeyondKnowledge]

George Washington used laudanum, an opiate derivative, and liked Madeira wine. John Adams liked his beer, wine, and rum. Thomas Jefferson grew opium poppies at his Monticello mansion, mixing the opium with quinine to help relieve his frequent headaches, and for diarrhoea. Martin Van Buren drank so much that his nickname was 'Blue Whiskey Van'. John Tyler self-treated with calomel, a toxic compound that contains mercury. Franklin Pierce drank a lot, and when his term of presidency was over, he said: “There is nothing left… but to get drunk.” James Buchanan was a heavy drinker who usually drank several bottles of alcohol in the course of an evening. Andrew Johnson was notably drunk during his inauguration, and had several bouts of drunkenness in office. Ulysses S Grant, smoked a lot - during one battle in the Civil War, he famously smoked twenty cigars in one day - He was also was a heavy drinker and, unsurprisingly, died of throat cancer. Chester A. Arthur was a heavy drinker. Grover Cleveland drank four to eight beers a day. Benjamin Harrison was treated for nervous breakdown with quinine, strychnine, and iron, while in office. Franklin D Roosevelt famously liked scotch and brandy, and ended prohibition. Harry S Truman preferred wine and bourbon. John F. Kennedy regularly took testosterone, used LSD and marijuana, enjoyed cigar smoking, and drank - his father also made a fortune selling bootleg booze during the prohibition. Richard M. Nixon was a frequent drinker, and used the drug phenytoin (Dilantin). Gerald Ford favoured gin and tonic and smoked eight pipes of tobacco a day. Bill Clinton used marijuana as a young man but famously insisted that while he did smoke it, he "did not inhale" - there are also rumours that he used cocaine. George W. Bush was known to drink heavily in his youth, and he is reported to have used cocaine prior to 1974. Barack H. Obama as a young man, reportedly used marijuana and cocaine and at times drank heavily. Donald Trump takes Adderall, cocaine, benzodiazepines (Valium and Xanax), Ambien and Provigil (Modafinil) - (sources for the Trump list of drugs are the books "Trump on the Couch" (2018) by Dr. Justin Frank, MD, "Disloyal: A Memoir" (2020) by Michael Cohen, "Too Much and Never Enough" (2020) by Mary L. Trump, "I’ll Take Your Questions Now" (2021) by Stephanie Grisham, "The Room Where It Happened" (2020) by John Bolton, and "Rage" (2020) by Bob Woodward. ).


OK, as a thought experiment, I want you to imagine yourself in a position as a hirer working for a big law firm, and you have a lot of candidates from all over, with one or two of them Harvard graduates. Their CV's are really good (as one might expect) and several of the seniors in the law firm are ex-Harvard. Do you really think you are just going to reject the Harvard applicants off-hand?

Nope. No law firm is going to reject applicants because one of the previous top law schools has slipped in the rankings. Especially if they are aware of the obvious political motivation behind the allegations:

Tracking Trump's Crackdown on Higher Education

The whole idea of law firms not employing graduates from Harvard is clearly the kind of obviously lying un-reasoned propaganda that the Trump administration is coming out with.

I recently watched an Economics lecture by a professor who had also previously had a government office in the administrations of the Reagan and Bush Presidencies. He wasn't too happy about Trump's tariffs, but after the lecture, he opened it up for questions, and one of the audience said their grandparents were academics who escaped Germany in the 1930's and asked "Should we run. Should we leave the country"? The lecturer replied that "75% of Americans were living hand-to-mouth and simply can't afford escape". - WTF? The people most in the know are afraid of what Trump is doing - afraid to the point that they want to drop everything and run.


No. He doesn't. He seems to get random unreasoned ideas into his head and despite the advice of others, he just pushes forward until it fails, and then he either forgets it, or it was all someone else's fault. Like the Epstein stuff. Or the Obama not being American stuff. Or when he stopped the promised weapons shipments to Ukraine and then blamed Hegseth...


Yeah, he's a noted disallower.


He isn't Presidential, either.


I don't know, the laws and statutes are pretty clear and concise.

And he has broken them fairly directly and obviously. Even the Supreme Court judges agree.


Yeah, whoop, they ensured their already too high political salaries could not be reduced. How is that helpful to the American people? Why is it a Constitutional level law and not just Federal statute? I see political corruption in that, do you?

... and yet your country has a massive gun death problem but you still can't seem to strike or amend the enabling law that allegedly is there to encourage armed civil disobedience, crime and domestic terrorism.

Please explain which if any of those people you listed had as part of their actual required job to be under the influence of chemicals. That was what the Orical did. A chosen woman was in a cave exposed to volcanic gasses to the point of being influenced by them.

The law offices not hiring Harvard graduates was in the news in the past month. They did not want to risk their reputation. I am certain it was not all law firms with that policy but there were enough to make the news.  Several people graduating form Harvard lost their job offers because of the reports of the current problems there.

And Trump not knowing what he is doing, thinking he is a monarch, and not being presidential is your personal opinion. I don't see any need to comment on that part for that reason. 

Your preseption of the law doesn't matter as you are in no way involved in the American legal system. We trust the opinions of the people in office to decide these things, ultimately the Supremes Court.

Why do you keep being up new things in your replies. You seem to be hoping to confuse by overloading the information. Guns are in the constitution. You need to get over your fear or lothing of a document that is not even about your country.

[chr0naut]

Please explain which if any of those people you listed had as part of their actual required job to be under the influence of chemicals. That was what the Orical did. A chosen woman was in a cave exposed to volcanic gasses to the point of being influenced by them.

The law offices not hiring Harvard graduates was in the news in the past month. They did not want to risk their reputation. I am certain it was not all law firms with that policy but there were enough to make the news.  Several people graduating form Harvard lost their job offers because of the reports of the current problems there.

And Trump not knowing what he is doing, thinking he is a monarch, and not being presidential is your personal opinion. I don't see any need to comment on that part for that reason. 

Your preseption of the law doesn't matter as you are in no way involved in the American legal system. We trust the opinions of the people in office to decide these things, ultimately the Supremes Court.

The Supreme Court has ruled against Trump on some things.

When you do things that are against a law, it means you are a lawbreaker.

The highest law in your land is (supposedly) the US Constitution.

The Supreme Court has ruled that some of Trump's actions and orders are un-Constitutional.

So, Trump has broken the highest laws in your land and apparently, no-one can do anything about it. His oath as President was to defend the Constitution, but he is the greatest currently living offender!

What do you think that says about the current state of whole US Constitutional system if breaking the highest laws in the land has zero consequence?

Why do you keep being up new things in your replies. You seem to be hoping to confuse by overloading the information.

When an idea is shrouded in a conditioned response that prevents open evaluation, one can engage people to think by re-framing things so they consider rationally a parallel line of similar reasoning. It makes sense to use similar situations as examples, so that people can follow a line of reasoning instead of them just responding with a glib and unconsidered answer.

Guns are in the constitution. You need to get over your fear or lothing of a document that is not even about your country.

Guns are not mentioned in the US Constitution. The 2nd Amendment refers to "arms".

Statutory law needs to be clear and unequivocal, and the US Constitution is not.

There are Constitutional experts today who still can't agree with each other about what it means.

The truth about the signatories is that many did nothing but sign their name. And they were relatively young men (no women). You could hardly say they had deep experience and knowledge.

As the Federalist Papers attest, some signatories believed that other signatories didn't even understand the document, and definitely, there was quite a lot of open disagreement and misunderstanding. For instance, George Washington, who had 164 slaves, clearly didn't understand the implication in the words about "all men being created equal".

[Harte]

The Supreme Court has ruled against Trump on some things.

When you do things that are against a law, it means you are a lawbreaker.

A finding of unconstitutional does not imply a law was broken.
It implies a law is counter to the Constitution and is therefore invalid.
I could list thousands of cases where, according to you, various Presidents (and Congress itself) can be considered to be "lawbreakers" under this weird view of yours.

Harte