Free will

[Sirius]

Who says there has to be 'a point' ... besides organized religion.
Maybe there is no point. 
hmmm .... theres something to think about ...

You will return to where you came from with your life as experience

[Sirius]

Word -‘WILL’. became a funny reminder of;
     ‘WHERE THERES A WILL, THERES A RELATIVE’.

No sweat, i’ll see myself out …. Grin …. Bye

WILL [and the word]. Emotion and thought. We combine when we should divide and divide when we should combine. Left and right we spin until dizzy. Man will write the story for infinity, again and again...until it ends with a click and the tape recorder stops

[Ignorant]

Do you submit to a higher authority

No.
 

..do these exist?

I consider it extremely unlikely.

See how easy it is to answer a question?
 

I heard Michael replaced his flaming sword with a hammer

st. Teresa didn't just declare her work as that from God, she submitted it to authorities

Higher authorities can subjugate your will, we do this willingly or you know..the hammer

The topic becomes intricate with the introduction of memes and it's silly, fun and viral initially. Replace the meme of Wednesday with war and what propagates? How are children raised during a time of war, what lessons do we instill in them? What stories do they hear that becomes their fantasy, what are they told for survival? It permeates all of civilization, there is no escaping. Echo's bouncing from all the walls. The children will grow up and teach the lessons they learned to the new generation. Blood feuds never end while blood flows. We pretend these are distant events.

No matter where you are born on this earth, our world has conflict and the echo's will find you and move you. Waves that cross amplify or cancel each other. Love and war. 

Of course if you are a god unto yourself and everything below you is a machine, then it is easy. You enjoy the entertainment and fight for infinity. Empathy becomes counter to survival, there is no spirit in a machine or is there? We worship technology. Lacking the powers of a god we create it and it controls our lives. This is reflected in animism, all things has spirt. Google  [Image: https://denyignorance.com//images/addsmi...thulhu.gif] all machines...

Imagine navigating with the stars!

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If you had a point with all this, could you summarize it? And just as a reminder I'll restate my initial question: If you and I are predictable, does that mean we don't have free will?

[Steamer]

We had free will prior to the time when all but a few did share community reasoning. It were those times when individuals just had to realise the positive stage of shared multi hunting. Those were the earliest times, times when instincts powered by the possibles of hormones. Free will together with maximum shields that helped us adopt the abilities of surrounding predators. A shade we now recognise as survival. 

Why bother to mention all that ?? . Well they were times prior the eventual learnings of Greeks and Indonesians., Egyptians, Romans etc. For they learned ok, but it was they who limited such, and then gave birth to groups such as ‘FREE MASONS’ 

In time they picked and selected who they would teach. Did / does such Free Masonry, give out “FREE WILL ?’,  o, for it is limited via 33 - 22 - 11.

It is a bit like being Free enough to maybe study and improve Engineering, Technolgy, Medics etc. try such , and as I did you soon find where the forever secretised belt of personalised societies may choose to hide. Do active servicemen feel the right to charge in, or attack when free will suggests ?? No, they do such when told. I would have hoped that, President Trump had free will, but even he is a puppet like stooge for the ever hidden background group of Secrecy. 

After decades of false promising, I now sit back and Hope for the oncoming generations. I dearly wish you all the best , sure I hope I am wrong, yet Websites are disappearing, foodstuff is vanishing from shelves, the Western world is sliding back to the 1930s. I therefore part surrender, yet try to help our Grandchildren….

[Sirius]

No.
 

So you don't submit to any authority?

[andy06shake]

Free will is the cosmic permission slip that says, "Go ahead, make your own choices… but also suffer the consequences."

It's the idea that you're steering the ship, only the ship is on fire, the ocean is made of chaos, and your GPS is anxiety.
 
Do we have it?

Sort of.

You feel like you chose the triple chocolate ice cream, but your childhood, brain chemistry, and a TV ad you saw in 2003 all nudged you there.

Some scientists say everything's determined, like you're a meat puppet following physics.

The other side suggests its say quantum randomness that gives you a say.

But that's like flipping a coin and calling it freedom.

Basically, free will is like a dog on a leash thinking it chose to walk the route.

It didn't, but it feels empowered, and that’s what matters.

[Ignorant]

So you don't submit to any authority?

I assumed that by higher authority you meant some sort of God. I don't submit to this higher authority because I don't believe it exists. If it does exist it hasn't made clear to me what it wants from me.

There are authorities that do exist, and that I do submit to. For example I follow the law, mostly.

You still haven't answered my question, but I suppose I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're getting to that.

[Ignorant]

Some scientists say everything's determined, like you're a meat puppet following physics.

The other side suggests its say quantum randomness that gives you a say.

But that's like flipping a coin and calling it freedom.

Indeed. It's nonsensical to suggest that the coin flip is what makes us free. But then, if we say that everything is predetermined and therefore we don't have free will, aren't we suggesting the very same? Aren't we saying that the only way we could have free will is if there was a coin flip in there somewhere, and isn't that equally nonsensical?

[andy06shake]

Indeed. It's nonsensical to suggest that the coin flip is what makes us free. But then, if we say that everything is predetermined and therefore we don't have free will, aren't we suggesting the very same? Aren't we saying that the only way we could have free will is if there was a coin flip in there somewhere, and isn't that equally nonsensical?

Im on the fence.

But it's like we’re stuck between two equally bizarre options.

Either everything is determined, and we are but mere passengers.

Or randomness gives us freedom, but in the most chaotic coin-flippy way possible.

Maybe the problem is in how we define free will.

We expect to be in total control.

When it might actually be about navigating within constraints.

I mean, we may have free will, but just not the mythical all-powerful version we like to romanticise.

We may not choose our cards, but we play the hand we are dealt, at least to some extent. 

[Sirius]

 Hope

Learned through suffering and understood with empathy compassion and love