False Flag Attack from Gaza

[Earthman4]

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https://apnews.com/article/israel-palest...9284fc37d2

 https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-ham...-on-oct-7/

 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-851507

 https://www.newsweek.com/map-rocket-miss...el-1842531

 https://www.foxnews.com/media/israeli-mi...d-massacre

 https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/07/hamas-su...hotos.html

That is a lot of info, thanks, but no pic or vid of an explosion like the bombs dropped on Gaza. No craters or blown up buildings, one fire.

[UltraBudgie]

thought it was established that was known months in advance and no waning issued? and bunch of killing done by apaches and soldiers? hard to find reliable sources in media tho. big deal to blame hamas for starving civilians. haven't read all the un reports.

[putnam6]

That is a lot of info, thanks, but no pic or vid of an explosion like the bombs dropped on Gaza. No craters or blown up buildings, one fire.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/middle_...47899.html



Heres what Grok says it has multiple links to evidence see below... but common logic suggests once it was realized there was infilttration they story became that aspect and it was where the news coverage went. Rocket attacks happen all the time in Israel. The major issue was the size an scope of the infiltration, IIRC contemporaneously large areas especially in the southern areas weren't exactly considered safe for days,as they weren't certain who was where and how many. I followed along in real time it was chaotic AF 

https://x.com/i/grok/share/zMGEOk85a39Kj9IJYgEbxHatW

one of the prominent links ...

 https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/7/scenes-from-hamass-morning-rocket-attack-on-israel

[Image: https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/upl...quality=80]Israeli firefighters extinguish a fire after a rocket from the Gaza Strip hit a house in Ashkelon, southern Israel. [Tsafrir Abayov/AP Photo]

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Pictures and Visual Evidence
Finding specific, high-quality images of rocket and missile damage from October 7, 2023, is challenging due to security restrictions, limited media access, and Israel’s control over sensitive imagery, particularly for military sites. However, some sources provide photos or references to visual evidence:

• Ashkelon:
  • Images from Al Jazeera show Israeli firefighters extinguishing a fire after a rocket hit a house and a parking lot in Ashkelon. Another photo captures burning cars following a strike.
    
    
  • A geolocated X post shows a direct rocket hit on a multi-story building in central Ashkelon, with a link to a video from the street (coordinates: 31.6710237, 34.5764751).
    
• Tel Aviv: ABC News references images of rubble from a building hit by a rocket in Tel Aviv on October 8, indicating damage from the initial barrage.
  
  
• Sdot Micha Airbase: The New York Times published a visual analysis with satellite imagery from Planet Labs, showing scorched earth at the base post-strike. These images are not publicly accessible without subscription but confirm the attack’s impact.
  
  
• General Imagery: NPR’s photo collection includes a first responder at a rocket strike site in Tel Aviv on October 27, 2023, which may reflect similar damage from earlier attacks.
  
  
• Limitations:
  • An X post claims Israel, with U.S. assistance, blinded satellites to obscure damage at sites like Nevatim and Tel Nov airbases, and no official photos were released. This is unverified but suggests restricted access to imagery.
    
  • Most available images focus on ground attack aftermath (e.g., Supernova festival, kibbutzim) rather than rocket damage, as the ground incursion caused more visible destruction.
    
  • Reuters and AP images from later attacks (e.g., October 1, 2024, Iranian missile strikes) show Iron Dome interceptions and minor damage, but these are not specific to October 7, 2023.
    
    
    

Where to Find Pictures

• News Outlets:
  • Al Jazeera: Offers images of Ashkelon damage, including burning cars and firefighters at work. Search their October 7, 2023, article titled “Scenes from Hamas’s morning rocket attack on Israel.”
    
    
  • The New York Times: Satellite imagery of Sdot Micha is available in their December 4, 2023, article, though access may require a subscription.
    
    
  • ABC News: References Tel Aviv rubble images in their November 22, 2023, timeline article.
    
    
• X Platform: The geolocated post by
  @MiddleEastBuka
  includes a video and image of the Ashkelon building hit, accessible via the provided links.
  
• Other Sources: Check Getty Images or Reuters for stock photos from Ashkelon and Tel Aviv, though specific October 7 images may be sparse. NPR’s October 7, 2024, retrospective may have related visuals.
  
  

Challenges and Notes

• Sparse Imagery: The Iron Dome’s high interception rate (up to 99% in some cases) limited widespread damage, reducing the number of dramatic photos. Most rocket impacts caused minor structural damage or hit open areas.
  
  
• Focus on Ground Attacks: Media coverage prioritized the horrific ground incursions (e.g., 364 killed at Supernova festival, 108 at Be’eri), overshadowing rocket damage visuals.
  
  
• Security Restrictions: Israel’s control over military site imagery, especially Sdot Micha, limits public access. Claims of satellite blinding suggest deliberate obfuscation, though these are speculative.
  
• Verification: X posts like
  @Stein3Hai
  ’s are inconclusive without corroboration, as they rely on unverified claims. Always cross-check with reputable sources.
  

[putnam6]

thought it was established that was known months in advance and no waning issued? and bunch of killing done by apaches and soldiers? hard to find reliable sources in media tho. big deal to blame hamas for starving civilians. haven't read all the un reports.

Really? There's even less evidence that it occurred

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/middle_...47899.html



link to the ATS thread FWIW

https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1337981/pg1

[UltraBudgie]

Really? There's even less evidence that it occurred

here is the bit i was thinking about it was the nbc news i remember

The report, based on an internal inquiry and released Thursday, said the Israeli military "failed in its mission" to protect the kibbutz, a few miles from the border with the Gaza Strip, because of grave errors in Israel’s response to the multipronged assault.

The Israeli military, the inquiry found, was not prepared for the “extensive infiltration scenario” led by the militant group that day and had only trained for the possibility of isolated infiltrations.

This is despite reports that the Israeli military had reviewed a detailed blueprint of Hamas' plans months before the attack. Military analysts' early warnings about the threat had been dismissed.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stood defiant throughout the war amid calls for accountability and a growing body of evidence that his government missed or ignored critical warnings about Hamas' plans.

He has also rebuffed calls for a comprehensive state inquiry into Israel's failings surrounding the Oct. 7 attack.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israe...rcna161497

and the one from cnn:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middl...index.html

The fact that Hamas trained for the attack in plain sight for at least two years raise further questions as to why Israel, home to the Middle East’s most sophisticated military and spying operation, was unable to pick up on and stop the October 7 attack?

When CNN reached out to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) for comment, its international spokesperson Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus said the findings were “nothing new.”

edit: although lol if im not misunderstand you haha maybe everything fake never can tell! remind me of noplane holograms!

[putnam6]

here is the bit i was thinking about it was the nbc news i remember


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israe...rcna161497

and the one from cnn:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middl...index.html



edit: although lol if im not misunderstand you haha maybe everything fake never can tell! remind me of noplane holograms!

I was mostly referring to

and bunch of killing done by apaches and soldiers

Survivors at the music festival have vehemently debunked this, and even hostages taken from the festival and returned later. 

Do I know 100%?

I do not, but it's highly unlikely Mossad could have threatened everybody or paid them off to cover up all that carnage of it being IDF soldiers and Apaches or Blackhawks machine gunning everyone.

[UltraBudgie]

I do not, but it's highly unlikely Mossad could have threatened everybody or paid them off to cover up all that carnage of it being IDF soldiers and Apaches or Blackhawks machine gunning everyone.

hmm no not holographic terrorists haha, fog of war stuff. not sure what was debunked? lots of fake videos out there apparently. did quick search and seems this is one of the source article people point to (hebrew language, google translated):

After the pilots realized that it was extremely difficult to distinguish between a terrorist and a soldier or civilian within the occupied outposts and settlements, a decision was made that the first mission of the attack helicopters and armed anti-aircraft gunners was to stop the flow of terrorists and the murderous crowd that was pouring into Israeli territory through the breaches in the fence. Throughout the day of fighting, 28 attack helicopters fired all the ammunition in their bellies, in reloading rounds. This involved hundreds of 30mm cannon shells (the effect of a grenade for each shell) as well as Hellfire missiles. The rate of fire against the thousands of terrorists was tremendous at first, and only at a certain point did the pilots begin to slow down the attacks and carefully choose their targets.

The Hamas army, it turns out, deliberately made it difficult for the helicopter pilots and drone operators: the investigation revealed that the invading forces were asked in recent briefings to walk slowly into or within the settlements and outposts, and under no circumstances to run, in order to make the pilots think that they were Israelis. This deception worked for a considerable time, until the Apache pilots realized that all restrictions had to be bypassed. Only around 9:00 did some of them begin to spray the terrorists with their cannons on their own, without permission from higher-ups.
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Another step that helped the Air Force commanders in the early hours understand the seriousness of the incident occurred around 10:00 AM, after the commander of the 190th Squadron, Lt. Col. A., got out of his helicopter in Ramon to rearm and refuel. He downloaded the full film recorded by the helicopter's camera and quickly transmitted it to the force's headquarters in Kirya. In less than 20 minutes, he was back in the air, and using the information he produced, he directed the rest of the air fighters to shoot at everything they saw in the fence area, and at one point even attacked an IDF post with besieged soldiers to help the fighters of Squadron 13 storm it and free it.

In one case, as part of the lifting of restrictions he had taken upon himself, he fired at a range of only 20 meters from the houses of one of the kibbutzim to cover the deputy commander of Division 80 who had been flown in from the Sinai sector and killed four terrorists in a heavy battle. According to the Air Force, in the first four hours of the fighting, helicopters and fighter jets attacked about 300 targets, most of them in Israeli territory

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b111niukzt

also interesting statement from advisor to netanyahu:

Mark Regev says the death toll of 1400 was reduced to 1200 because around 200 turned out to be badly burned Hamas fighters. People discussing how so many were burned and with what weapons.

https://x.com/marcowenjones/status/1725516821321634172

sort of indicates many israelis killed in same way many hamas killed...

[putnam6]

hmm no not holographic terrorists haha, fog of war stuff. not sure what was debunked? lots of fake videos out there apparently. did quick search and seems this is one of the source article people point to (hebrew language, google translated):


https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b111niukzt

also interesting statement from advisor to netanyahu:
https://x.com/marcowenjones/status/1725516821321634172

sort of indicates many israelis killed in same way many hamas killed...

Im speaking specifically about the Nova festival reports of a helicopter allegedly. This article seems to refer to areas around the breeches, and bases the Apaches were targeting individuals in that area?

Mistakenly shooting is a whole different level from false flag .....

[UltraBudgie]

Im speaking specifically about the Nova festival reports of a helicopter allegedly. This article seems to refer to areas around the breeches, and bases the Apaches were targeting individuals in that area?

oh okay


edit:

Mistakenly shooting is a whole different level from false flag .....

i think the theory seems to be that they knew about it, let it happen, let it escalate without response, then when death count didn't seem high enough took the gloves off in counterattack without regard to civilian casualties. thus, false flag. first few bits of that seem to have some evidence to them.

[putnam6]

oh okay


edit:
i think the theory seems to be that they knew about it, let it happen, let it escalate without response, then when death count didn't seem high enough took the gloves off in counterattack without regard to civilian casualties. thus, false flag. first few bits of that seem to have some evidence to them.

Fair enough, you have to bet your house it was a false flag, Israel was complicit, or blame Hamas and the Palestinians