12-17-2024, 03:20 PM
This post was last modified 12-17-2024, 04:23 PM by IdeomotorPrisoner. Edited 5 times in total.
Why are we even applying a 19th century ideal to someone that numbered our freaking centuries in the first place?
What were the social models during Jesus' time? Empires of castes and nomadic pastoral clans? They hadn't progressed to unions yet.
Coming from a far less rigid nomadic upbringing, and living during the recent arrival of a rigid class driven oligarchal Rome, made Jesus anti-authority. Not Marxism, state sedition.
Basically he said, "My only authority is God, and you are not god, Rome."
He was also STAUNCHLY OPPOSED to unfair taxes paid to Rome in annexed (against its will) Judea.
It's closest counterpart today would be the Tibetans in opposition to Chinese rule (like not allowing Tibetan identity or reverence to the Dali Lama) that refuse to sacrifice their ethics, and will cut their head with a sword in defiance before they accept Chinese Authority.
Like, "I'd rather do this then submit to your bullshit laws and rules."
It's not applicable to Marxism because it's an impulse that is above all human made devices. It's exacting your own code (divine of otherwise) as superior to an overbearing authority.
Others that went with the impulse are; Ghandi, Joan of Arc, William Wallace, The Founding Fathers, Susan B Anthony, Harriot Tubman, MLK, Malcom X, and anyone willing to sacrifice their own well-being and defy on a deeply held belief. It's a defiance impulse that often appeals to humility and quality of life.
And because this (Jesus-adjacent) defiance impulse exists in absence of any set construct it can take the form of communism occassionally..
Like a person in McCarthyist 1950 willing to say they identify with Marx and Trotsky, even as patriotic Americans threaten to destroy their life and black ball them for it. Especially if they hold the capitalist ruling class pigs were unfairly subjugating the worker.
It's always been a fine line between what is a righteous freedom fighter and what is a dangerous threat to established order.
What were the social models during Jesus' time? Empires of castes and nomadic pastoral clans? They hadn't progressed to unions yet.
Coming from a far less rigid nomadic upbringing, and living during the recent arrival of a rigid class driven oligarchal Rome, made Jesus anti-authority. Not Marxism, state sedition.
Quote:“You know that among the Gentiles those whom they recognize as their rulers lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them. It must not be so among you” (Mark 10:42).
Basically he said, "My only authority is God, and you are not god, Rome."
He was also STAUNCHLY OPPOSED to unfair taxes paid to Rome in annexed (against its will) Judea.
It's closest counterpart today would be the Tibetans in opposition to Chinese rule (like not allowing Tibetan identity or reverence to the Dali Lama) that refuse to sacrifice their ethics, and will cut their head with a sword in defiance before they accept Chinese Authority.
Like, "I'd rather do this then submit to your bullshit laws and rules."
It's not applicable to Marxism because it's an impulse that is above all human made devices. It's exacting your own code (divine of otherwise) as superior to an overbearing authority.
Others that went with the impulse are; Ghandi, Joan of Arc, William Wallace, The Founding Fathers, Susan B Anthony, Harriot Tubman, MLK, Malcom X, and anyone willing to sacrifice their own well-being and defy on a deeply held belief. It's a defiance impulse that often appeals to humility and quality of life.
And because this (Jesus-adjacent) defiance impulse exists in absence of any set construct it can take the form of communism occassionally..
Like a person in McCarthyist 1950 willing to say they identify with Marx and Trotsky, even as patriotic Americans threaten to destroy their life and black ball them for it. Especially if they hold the capitalist ruling class pigs were unfairly subjugating the worker.
It's always been a fine line between what is a righteous freedom fighter and what is a dangerous threat to established order.
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