E15: Don't Buy It

[BeyondKnowledge]

The government of the USA it seems is going to allow E15 gas to be sold year round. That is gasoline mixed with 15% ethanol.

What does this mean for you. Automobiles made before 2001 will deteriorate faster from it. As will small engines.

Your Doritos, steaks and many more foods will go up im price as corn availability for food drops. It costs more for the food for you and to feed what you eat. 




Please explain why they think this is a good idea. It can save a few cents on gas but cause havoc with so many other things.

Please don't let your vehicle drink alcohol and drive.

[DBCowboy]

The government of the USA it seems is going to allow E15 gas to be sold year round. That is gasoline mixed with 15% ethanol.

What does this mean for you. Automobiles made before 2001 will deteriorate faster from it. As will small engines.

Your Doritos, steaks and many more foods will go up im price as corn availability for food drops. It costs more for the food for you and to feed what you eat. 

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Please explain why they think this is a good idea. It can save a few cents on gas but cause havoc with so many other things.

I own an older Chevy TrailBlaizer.

I put nothing but premium in it, and it's running well past 200,000 miles on the odometer.

[guyfriday]

That's fearmongering. Food corn won't go up in price.

[BeyondKnowledge]

I own an older Chevy TrailBlaizer.

I put nothing but premium in it, and it's running well past 200,000 miles on the odometer.

There are a couple of stations in my town that sell 100% gasoline. I only get that. Premium does not mean 100% gasoline. It can still be E10 or may soon be E15.

Oh, for a test for 100% gasoline, put a small amount of gasoline in a small glass jar with a small amount of water. Shake it up and wait a day. If the water and gasoline are still separate, you have gasoline. If it is only one liquid, you have E something mix.

[BeyondKnowledge]

That's fearmongering. Food corn won't go up in price.

Oh, but it did when they started with the E10 gas. Now they need 50% more alcohol for the mix. That is less corn to eat.

[andy06shake]

I imagine the reason is mostly about US domestic politics, like farm subsidies, your fuel costs, and energy pricing. 

By the looks of it "E-15" is usually cheaper per gallon.

I dont think most people are driving cars from pre-2001, unless they are classics...

It's a response to the state of the industry, by the looks of things.

[BeyondKnowledge]

I imagine the reason is mostly about US domestic politics, like farm subsidies, your fuel costs, and energy pricing. 

By the looks of it "E-15" is usually cheaper per gallon.

I dont think most people are driving cars from pre-2001, unless they are classics...

It's a response to the state of the industry, by the looks of things.

Oh, I have a couple I drive that old. Several people around where I live still drive them.

And yes, the farmers love having the price of corn go up just to make the ethanal. Federal subsidies got it started and now Congress can't stop the ethanol fuel without upsetting a whole industry.

I only use 100% gasoline. It cost more but it gets higher mileage which works out to almost exactly the same when that is considered in. I am not going to try checking that with the E15. 

I wonder what other problems this will cause. They cleaned out the pipes when they started using the E10, accidently that is. All the filling stations had filter problems when they first started it.

Then they learned they had to truck the ethanol. All that additional diesel to move the alcohol, just because it cleaned the water and crud out of the pipes.

[andy06shake]

Oh, I have a couple I drive that old. Several people around where I live still drive them.

And yes, the farmers love having the price of corn go up just to make the ethanal. Federal subsidies got it started and now Congress can't stop the ethanol fuel without upsetting a whole industry.

I only use 100% gasoline. It cost more but it gets higher mileage which works out to almost exactly the same when that is considered in. I am not going to try checking that with the E15. 

I wonder what other problems this will cause. They cleaned out the pipes when they started using the E10, accidently that is. All the filling stations had filter problems when they first started it.

Then they learned they had to truck the ethanol. All that additional diesel to move the alcohol, just because it cleaned the water and crud out of the pipes.

Oh im sure it may create plenty of additional concerns.

And im sure people will come up with ""solutions"" to those concerns that cost cash money.

After all, these are the same type of industries that are experiencing record profits.

Whilst the majority of people are just about able to tread water...

Makes sense they want to ""water down"" your "go juice".

[Tecate]

The big problem with ethanol in fuel is that small engines (chain saws, etc) can’t have it at all. It gums up the carburetors and deteriorates the fuel lines.

Premium should always be used in them.

Tecate

[quintessentone]

The big problem with ethanol in fuel is that small engines (chain saws, etc) can’t have it at all. It gums up the carburetors and deteriorates the fuel lines.

Premium should always be used in them.

Tecate

And they have a fuel additive for that...

"Yes, specific fuel additives are used to improve the stability and compatibility of ethanol blends in gasoline. Ethyl tertiary-butyl ether (ETBE) and ethyl acetate are commonly added to reduce the tendency of ethanol-gasoline blends to form azeotropic mixtures and to increase their tolerance to water, thereby preventing phase separation.  Additionally, cyclohexanol is used to enhance the phase stability and water tolerance of hydrous alcohol blends. 
Beyond stability, several other chemical classes support the use of ethanol in gasoline:

• Oxygenates: Ethanol itself acts as an oxygenate, improving combustion efficiency and reducing carbon monoxide and unburned hydrocarbon emissions, having largely replaced other oxygenates like MTBE due to groundwater contamination concerns. 
  
• Antioxidants: Chemicals such as phenylenediamines and phenols are included to slow oxidation, which prevents the formation of gums and varnishes that can degrade fuel storage life. 
  
• Corrosion Inhibitors: Agents like amines or phosphates protect fuel systems from rust and corrosion, which is critical because ethanol’s high affinity for water and polar characteristics can accelerate degradation in certain materials. 
  
• Detergents: Compounds like polyether amine (PEA) help clean fuel injectors and valves, counteracting potential deposit formation associated with ethanol blends." (LLM)