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If you think you hated it at $79 bucks $139 isn't gonna make the shows and movies more watchable
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Oh, Disney+ has all the best hate-watch shows! An extra $5 a month? That's only $60 more a year! If I cancel, how will I be able to keep up with everything my bitter YouTube culture-critic friends despise?
I'm still sad they canceled She-Hulk season 2.
Hey, did you hear they ruined Star Wars? I gotta channel says it was deliberate. They're all soulless minions of orthodoxy! So, better keep an eye on them, the agenda is in plain sight. Yep, $5 a month, but they're gonna get you either way, ya know? Sure, politics is cheaper to loath-along to, but my friens get sooo much angrier when I try to wake them up about that!
I followed the Science, and all I found was the Money.
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(10-08-2024, 10:33 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Oh, Disney+ has all the best hate-watch shows! An extra $5 a month? That's only $60 more a year! If I cancel, how will I be able to keep up with everything my bitter YouTube culture-critic friends despise?
I'm still sad they canceled She-Hulk season 2.
Hey, did you hear they ruined Star Wars? I gotta channel says it was deliberate. They're all soulless minions of orthodoxy! So, better keep an eye on them, the agenda is in plain sight. Yep, $5 a month, but they're gonna get you either way, ya know? Sure, politics is cheaper to loath-along to, but my friens get sooo much angrier when I try to wake them up about that!
Hell, I can't stand Mickey and I still almost signed up for the ESPN, HULA, and DISNEY BUNDLE so glad I didn't. I wanted to have access to more college football but changed my mind besides I found a place where I could listen to the radio or watch whatever I got locally. I just don't watch the old stuff enough to justify paying for new Mickey that is irritating to watch
First time in a while I have no services and watch local TV and games and highlights that are on YouTube, it works for me. and for $139 can get a couple of bottles of decent Bourbon or Tequila and Im fine.
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I pay for sling.
get all the channels cheaper than cable.
screw the single use subscriptions.
200 hours of dvr, got all the paw patrol recorded for my 3 year old.
who needs Disney?
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I wouldn't subscribe to Disney Plus again. The Disney Plus search function is useless and generates unrelated content compared to what is entered. Also, the Disney exclusives I enjoyed were axed or went downhill. The Mighty Ducks Game Changers and Star Wars: The Book of Boba Fett finished after one season. Star Wars: The Mandalorian season three was awful compared to how good that show started.
I am not a Star Wars fan, but I did enjoy The Mandalorian and Boba Fett. The Mighty Ducks Game Changers serves as a 90s kid alert.
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Once Disney achieved the level of "institution" they failed. Institutions don't have the luxury simple business.
Disney's success was more business than talent. They have gravitated to prefer 'business' to talent... to value 'show' over 'art.'
It's sad, but when an image publicly falls apart, there will be anxiety and angst over people losing what they had once cherished in innocence.
Business is never "about" anything before business.
Disney is still fixable... but fixing it won't "make" money in the process,... so it will never happen.
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(10-08-2024, 11:40 PM)Maxmars Wrote: Disney is still fixable... but fixing it won't "make" money in the process,... so it will never happen.
Disney Plus and the other streaming platforms refuse to acknowledge that they operate a broken business model. Passing on increased costs to consumers will not fix the underlying issues. For instance, exclusive content on a streaming platform doesn't make money via syndication to other streaming services.
The article below covers these matters far better than I could do.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tansykell...er_desktop
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Disney used to pride themselves on "imagineering". And, they meant it, too -- they wanted to create dreamscape, fancies of imagination, otherworld funscapes, because they thought, first, that that's an essential part a living human experience, and second, because it's the right thing to do: to inspire, delight, and enlighten ourselves and future generations. Love, for our children and inner-childs.
At the same time, they've always had a very sophisticated grasp of mass psychology, capitalism, marketing, and media. It's just that somehow, one was able to exist within the framework of the other. I don't think that's the case any more.
Yes Disney does face problems of viability of business models, changing delivery technology, brand dilution, etc., but they've navigated those shoals in the past, and they could again. I think the real problem they face is they've lost the genuineness of their idealism. And really, that's not a Disney-specific problem. I think they genuinely have trouble finding young idealistic talent for content creation that hasn't been affected by late-stage American capitalist cynicism. The best they seem to do is to find bright-eyed deconstructionist would-be social reengineers, who, say what you will about them, at least have a fervent vision that apes the idealism that built the Mouse.
It's both Disney's problem, because they in some ways built the 20th Century American fever-dream of capitalist-driven utopianism fantasy, and it's not Disney's problem, because it's America's, and we all have to live in the popped bubble of disenchantment that is all that remains.
I followed the Science, and all I found was the Money.
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(10-09-2024, 12:23 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Disney used to pride themselves on "imagineering". And, they meant it, too -- they wanted to create dreamscape, fancies of imagination, otherworld funscapes, because they thought, first, that that's an essential part a living human experience, and second, because it's the right thing to do: to inspire, delight, and enlighten ourselves and future generations. Love, for our children and inner-childs.
At the same time, they've always had a very sophisticated grasp of mass psychology, capitalism, marketing, and media. It's just that somehow, one was able to exist within the framework of the other. I don't think that's the case any more.
Yes Disney does face problems of viability of business models, changing delivery technology, brand dilution, etc., but they've navigated those shoals in the past, and they could again. I think the real problem they face is they've lost the genuineness of their idealism. And really, that's not a Disney-specific problem. I think they genuinely have trouble finding young idealistic talent for content creation that hasn't been affected by late-stage American capitalist cynicism. The best they seem to do is to find bright-eyed deconstructionist would-be social reengineers, who, say what you will about them, at least have a fervent vision that apes the idealism that built the Mouse.
It's both Disney's problem, because they in some ways built the 20th Century American fever-dream of capitalist-driven utopianism fantasy, and it's not Disney's problem, because it's America's, and we all have to live in the popped bubble of disenchantment that is all that remains.
Im guessing the Herbie the Love Bug and The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes movies were a little more impactful for you than me.
there's always been an ebb and flow with content and yes it usually happens when a GENERATION GROWS UP its no secret Disney had hard time adjusting in the late 60s and 70s but the original Ariel, Alladin and his blue genie built a bridge to Pixar and billions in revenue and the beginning of Mickey's world domination tour
The problem is creative storytelling is hard enough without trying to include one version of every human distinction in every story while making sure certain subgroups are the heroes and certain subgroups are not
in today's Disney Old Yeller would be an emotional support service animal for a lesbian fictional brand barista who attends Columbia University
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I wouldn't pay even $5 bucks for Woke-Disney Plus...let alone 28x that much!!
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