Different take on Charlie Kirk

[quintessentone]

Then go research his debate style. There are plenty of videos on Youtube and in them he gave everyone a chance to bring forth facts and logic. They failed almost every time.

Confirmation bias is easy, but when the facts are free to to find, ignorance is a choice.

I did watch one just now and he was defeated by Dean Withers. Kirk's attitude appeared to me to be belittling and his smerking at his opponent wasn't appreciated. He also showed his flip flopping on the issue and basically said that women can't think for themselves and follow others thinking.

As with his last words in that debate, he deflected and did not offer any comparisons to prove his rebuttal. I've seen this tactic with other debaters, they think they can play games with the younger less seasoned debaters and push them until they lose their grip and insult them, then they shut it down, instead of debating properly.

I actually agree with his gun control debate where he maneuvers it to mental health. I don't agree with him putting the right to own a gun over people being killed by gun violence as necessary collateral damage. There has to be laws put in place to protect people when the resources for mental health treatment aren't there any more.

He seemed confused as to when to call the termination of a fertilized egg via a uterine device vs. aborting a zygote murder or not murder. 

I also have read what his stances are and his bias in many subject areas has been confirmed by me. That's why he was considered controversial by people from all parties.

[BeTheGoddess]

is that tweet from Bibi still up?

asking for a friend

[UltraBudgie]

Or things like being taught to deliberately offend God by being too personal even though the OT is full of warnings not to gaze upon the face of God.  "Have a personal relationship with Christ," they'll say.  "You have a friend in Jesus," they'll say.  

They'll ask that you pray "with the Church" which can mean "for their intentions" and their intentions may not be holy. 

Could someone like C.K. have been running on a cultural decision to subvert salvation for personal gain, and thus offending God?   Then, when the day of the Lord came like a thief in the night, it all went wrong.

It is, of course, definitely not out of the question that he simply broke the mold and became an actual conservative and a faithful, saved Christian, and all this is wrong.

He was shot in a menorah:



That's a blessing, right?

[Kwaka]

For someone to say they are Christian while supporting the actions in Gaza?

With a similar kind of media group behind Charlie Kirk that that is also behind Ben Shapiro, a tough place to start. As Charlie progressed in his debates, he was getting gradually red pilled and started to question more of Israel's policies. Charlie had received warnings and death threats should he go too hard on this topic.

Brighteon Broadcast News, Sep 11, 2025 - Assassination of Charlie Kirk will prove to be a TIPPING POINT in the war for America’s future

There have been a lot of amazing applause for the work Charlie Kirk has done. Also some intense vitriol in those he triggered along the way. It does has that Martin Luther King vibe as a champion of the first amendment.  He does have a lot of strong Christian principles in how he held himself.

[quintessentone]

The assassin said Kirk was spreading hate.

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"Charlie Kirk Was Not a Universally Beloved Figure While He Was Alive
 Charlie Kirk said a lot of pretty hateful things."

Why Did People Hate Charlie Kirk?

 
From PrideSource:

"We Must Not Posthumously Sanitize Charlie Kirk's Hateful LifeInfluential anti-LGBTQ+ activist Charlie Kirk was assassinated on Wednesday. While condemning violence is something most can get behind, sanitization of his hate has gone too far."
We Must Not Posthumously Sanitize Charlie Kirk's Hateful Life

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Violence dressed as debate?

Racism, Rhetoric, and Charlie Kirk: A Reality We Can’t Ignore - Word In Black

[quintessentone]

"Anybody who would tear this country apart, is the enemy."

Another different take on what Kirk represented and whether American should break up or get a divorce.

Worth a listen.

[Vermilion]

Violence is not the answer, this was a horrible and senseless act, I am sorry that this man died and condemn the actions of the shooter but this article sums up a lot of my thoughts on the matter.

No, I won’t be shedding any tears for Charlie Kirk


Kind of ironic, eh? I guess adding one more to all those lost in school and church shootings is a rational trade-off? Thanks for not being a hypocrite, Charlie.

Stephen King Apologizes for Claiming Charlie Kirk ‘Advocated Stoning Gays’: ‘This Is What I Get for Reading’ X Without ‘Fact-Checking’
https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/stephen...236516429/

King wrote: “I apologize for saying Charlie Kirk advocated stoning gays. What he actually demonstrated was how some people cherry-pick Biblical passages.”

[Vermilion]

The assassin said Kirk was spreading hate.

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"Charlie Kirk Was Not a Universally Beloved Figure While He Was Alive
 Charlie Kirk said a lot of pretty hateful things."

Why Did People Hate Charlie Kirk?

 
From PrideSource:

"We Must Not Posthumously Sanitize Charlie Kirk's Hateful LifeInfluential anti-LGBTQ+ activist Charlie Kirk was assassinated on Wednesday. While condemning violence is something most can get behind, sanitization of his hate has gone too far."
We Must Not Posthumously Sanitize Charlie Kirk's Hateful Life

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Violence dressed as debate?

Racism, Rhetoric, and Charlie Kirk: A Reality We Can’t Ignore - Word In Black

Speech you hate is not hate speech.

If you watch enough of his debates you’ll see a pattern.
Charlie lets anybody speak.
Anybody.
He also puts down his own microphone when they are speaking and actually listens.
It would be difficult to find another person who has given more people a voice to speak their mind.

[quintessentone]

Speech you hate is not hate speech.

If you watch enough of his debates you’ll see a pattern.
Charlie lets anybody speak.
Anybody.
He also puts down his own microphone when they are speaking and actually listens.
It would be difficult to find another person who has given more people a voice to speak their mind.

Kirk let college students speak, but didn't address their points, but rather used deflection and did what he was suppose to do, push a narrative.

When Kirk debated seasoned older and knowledgeable debaters he usually folded.

Any speech that may incite ideas of the removal of human rights, such as women's right to abortion, or Muslim's being free to practice their religion, or be against LGBTQ, can be considered as stoking the flames of divisiveness, and where does that take some people?

[Vermilion]

Kirk let college students speak, but didn't address their points, but rather used deflection and did what he was suppose to do, push a narrative.

When Kirk debated seasoned older and knowledgeable debaters he usually folded.

Any speech that may incite ideas of the removal of human rights, such as women's right to abortion, or Muslim's being free to practice their religion, or be against LGBTQ, can be considered as stoking the flames of divisiveness, and where does that take some people?

Gays against Groomers says….

Charlie Kirk never mocked or dismissed young people who were lost in gender ideology. He met them with truth, conviction, and compassion — reminding them they are not broken, but loved and worth fighting for. We will carry that torch and never stop fighting. Today we remember his legacy.
And they put together this short video….

https://x.com/againstgrmrs/status/1967244408060882963