Debate: IdeoMotorPrisoner v. Putnam6 -

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Oh shit. Ignore the contradiction and allow me to save this. I'm glad that doesn't stand as my conclusion.

Respectfully, I thought you were theorizing humans are lowly snakes, or like the North Sentinal Island natives, and even in this post defective, can't handle our own shit. Yet now we know the whole universe gets paranoia?

So which is it? We can't be so backasswards and be so omniscient and know paranoia goes beyond humans and infects every lifeform in the universe. Only some of us are paranoid, and even those are paranoid for different reasons, why should a whole species bend to the will of the paranoid?

Everyone is both. We are both the lowly specimens aspiring to advance with a tendency to completely lose our minds in the a bipolar mix of predator and prey.

We are the snakes, we are the natives, we are the special creatures that believe we can lead the way for everyone else. But what has "advancement" on Earth shown us time and again. The road to hell is paved in best intentions.

It requires a certain degree of faith that what we wish to contact isn't one of these parasitic ones. We better hope we get the Space Dinosaurs. The Ultra-pacifist ones. Because if we get The Goa'uld, we're fucked.

I realize, I can admit it's a mix of both and still hold my point. At best its a 50/50 shot we get the good aliens.

And in all cases, we are inferior, and we have to TRUST they are worthwhile to contact. I've gone over all the doomsday options, but I haven't gotten to the universal maxim of "what have you done for me lately?"

What are they gonna help us because their just those type of aliens? Ha. There's always an angle. Always a mutual interest.

You don't evolve to traverse the universe without thriving. And you don't thrive without looking out for your own. And using what is necessary.

I'd suggest an ecosystem finds a balance within its environment living together. there will be periods of conflict, LOL another human condition, but it does continually seek out a balance. There's is no reason a sufficiently evolved and advanced species might have the answer to living in better harmony beyond the fight for survival and total Darwinism.

And what do the top life forms in all those eco-systems do?



That. Ocra are psychopathic in the sea. Humans are psychopathic on the land. The Apex is prone to this, probably simply because its the apex animal. No predators, oy prey.

There is a balance. Absolutely. There is some harmonic equilibrium. And its one of affection and tooth and claw. Animals will shower their kindred with affection. And then the juveniles given said affection, the aspiring alpha males usually, will go off on groups and act like the children of evil. Let's go find the inferior one and cast then out to promote our own species ability to thrive?

Whales, wolves, humans, other primates, elephants, seals, elephant seals, all are examples of how the apex is littered with anti-social behavior.

I'm just curious what aliens would do to us. Though I've spent much of life completely mocking their shit-pedaling, what if the Ancient Astronomers were right. What if "royal seed" really does mean "Alien overlords who descended in a flying spaceship"

Then did a bunch of hominid breeding. Like they noticed this one planet has a bunch of animals tight on the brink of advancing so they took like 4 or 5 of them and played around with them like dogs until they had the perfect hybrids.

We could wanting to contacting what's already here, and has so little respect they made us from hominids to eventually harvest organs from out bodies.

Why do 256,000 people really dissappear every year. Even in the wildest of cases it's evidence of inherently sociopathic apex predation.

It's like betting your net worth on Red/Black. Wouldn't he pragmatic. Even if it seems like it's too good a payoff to pass up.

If I contradicted myself again, please leg me know, because I'm sure there's a way to craft a persuasive argument out of it.