Debate: IdeoMotorPrisoner v. Putnam6 -

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Everyone.

I would love to break myself of mistrust. Believe these aliens are highly evolved fixtures of ethics, but so far they haven't shown it.

It would be amazing if I could trust them, but I'm looking at my TV right now, and there's this preview of a story on how some people are losing their minds about other people losing their minds. And they want me to lose my mind over it!?

What's contact going to do to that equation? Is my mind getting lost in existential crises as well?

What's Islam gonna do if thousands of years of Alien documentation shows them their highlight reel from the 600s?

They would declare jihad on the aliens.

It's not a simple bandaid to pull off. While the breakdowns come after the fact, It's one on many reasons why we can't trust contact.

Is it circumstantial? Yes. Am I building my hesitancy on our own defective behavior? Yes. Am I projecting our defect as a staple of universal programming? Undoubtedly. But we are all we have.

And what we have learned suggests life in the universe may not be so different, with the commonality being a fight inside the zones of habitabillity.

Life as a secondary creation of the same stardust. Or if you believe string theory, a concoction of vibrating particles. Built on the same constituant parts, with all organics needing a specific environmental range to exist.

As far as I am concerned paranoia is panspermic. Darwinism is panspermic. Paranoia accompanies all biology everywhere, and is written into the all organic life in some form. From the simplest to most complex, all has a finite timeframe. A trigger of survival because everything decays. Everything increases in disorder. That's thermodynamic as much as biological. And the driver of panspermic ambivalence.

We are all creatures of this finite lifespan and drive to thrive at any cost.

So I have no choice but to write off the Carl Sagans and well-meaning idealist and remind them a Universal Rome exists. All space-bending roads lead to its analog.

Yeah they might be truly classy. Willing and wanting to spread what we call benevolence, and making our planet a better place, but I don't see it, in any form.

I think what we can put together, especially their aloof and sinister treatment of this planets most advanced species, presents overwhelming evidence it is far more likely alien contact is not in our interest. They are more likely to abduct us, screw with us, hide from us, study us, exploit us, put us in zoos, use us for batteries, play us like Sim City, hunt us for sport, cultivate us, and eat us.

So far they seem pretty much like us in being self-centered.

I might be paranoid, but altruism is a myth.

And if the truth is out there it says we should trust no one until we can handle our own shit - figure out how to "put on our own oxygen masks before contacting others."