DNA Analysis Indicates Christopher Columbus Wasn't Italian

[Lynyrd Skynyrd]

He was Jewish, from the Valencia, Spain.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/col...r-AA1sbsoR

[xuenchen]

Figures the "Columbus" stories are all probably fake and fairy tales. Personally, I always thought "Columbus" was a made up character and never real at all.   Who knows what was actually real and covered up about the "Discovery" of "America" 

[FlyersFan]

They say DNA study revealed it.
They didn't say that they tested his body.
Or where his body was all this time.
Or how they even know it was really him.
Lots of good conspiracy fodder here ...

[85303]

But don't you just love a clear concise statement with no value or supporting information?  Its the bread of the common folk today.

[Lynyrd Skynyrd]

They say DNA study revealed it.
They didn't say that they tested his body.
Or where his body was all this time.
Or how they even know it was really him.
Lots of good conspiracy fodder here ...

A partial skeleton interred in a cathedral in Spain, was recently confirmed to be that of Columbus. They compared the DNA to a number of known descendants of Christopher Columbus. I can link that story for you.

Am I the only one here that can see a linked source and read all that information there?

[Maxmars]

Historical accounts and linguistic analyses seem to inform us that Christopher Columbus’s actual name was Cristoforo Colombo, an Italian name. This name was later anglicized to Christopher Columbus.  In Spanish, his name was Cristóbal Colón, reflecting the influence of the Spanish language during his time in Spain. However, this name is also considered an adaptation or translation of his original Italian name, Cristoforo Colombo.

AI response information notes that Columbus himself referred to himself as “Colom” in some documents, which is closer to the Spanish “Colón” than the English “Columbus”. And additionally, historical records and older sources vary in their spellings of his name, including “Colombo”, “Colom”, and “Colón”.

He allegedly went to great lengths to change or modify any perception of his true roots.  The reasons for this are mostly relevant to the social and cultural pressures of his world.  The man was very driven to obscure much around his history, which might hint to some that he was a fame-seeking, credit hogging, and manipulative person... keen to create and maintain an air of 'daring, accomplished, and successful explorer.'  Some might be offended and immediately protect a sense of illegitimacy to the claims.  Others, driven by social and cultural biases, might cling to 'classic' legend accounts, rendering him into something he may never have been about...

Prejudice and bias can explain the need to make him seem 'generically' acceptable to people... as if social-acceptability changes anything... other than propaganda.

It is more and more likely that our basic understanding of this historical figure is largely a marketing construct... he may have never actually done much more than exploit political circumstances for personal gain, outright steal the results of the exploration of others, and was someone who adapted to political and cultural pressures  - with great success. 

Nevertheless the journeys and dangers he was willing to face to that end were impressive, and his courage was not in short order.  Whether he actually 'discovered' anything will always be in question... but he did 'act', when others weren't so inclined.

[Lynyrd Skynyrd]

But don't you just love a clear concise statement with no value or supporting information?  Its the bread of the common folk today.

Are you mentally challenged? I linked the source, which in turn, links three supporting articles. I can help you find a text-to-speech program that will read all four sources to you.

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The name of this forum is Deny Ignorance, but I notice some here that are embracing ignorance like it was their first cousin.

[Rigel4]

I am 59 and was taught in Primary school that Columbus was Spanish !

Is this weird ?

[Tecate]

I had actually read that he was a Spanish converso (Jews that converted to Christianity prior to the Spanish Inquisition), and timed his initial voyage to miss a crackdown on conversos.

The Inquisition knew that a lot of the converts were secretly still practicing Jews, but converted so they wouldn’t be attacked.

I guess I’m not surprised by this news then.


Tecate

[Lynyrd Skynyrd]

Historical accounts and linguistic analyses seem to inform us that Christopher Columbus’s actual name was Cristoforo Colombo, an Italian name. This name was later anglicized to Christopher Columbus.  In Spanish, his name was Cristóbal Colón, reflecting the influence of the Spanish language during his time in Spain. However, this name is also considered an adaptation or translation of his original Italian name, Cristoforo Colombo.

AI response information notes that Columbus himself referred to himself as “Colom” in some documents, which is closer to the Spanish “Colón” than the English “Columbus”. And additionally, historical records and older sources vary in their spellings of his name, including “Colombo”, “Colom”, and “Colón”.

He allegedly went to great lengths to change or modify any perception of his true roots.  The reasons for this are mostly relevant to the social and cultural pressures of his world.  The man was very driven to obscure much around his history, which might hint to some that he was a fame-seeking, credit hogging, and manipulative person... keen to create and maintain an air of 'daring, accomplished, and successful explorer.'  Some might be offended and immediately protect a sense of illegitimacy to the claims.  Others, driven by social and cultural biases, might cling to 'classic' legend accounts, rendering him into something he may never have been about...

Prejudice and bias can explain the need to make him seem 'generically' acceptable to people... as if social-acceptability changes anything... other than propaganda.

It is more and more likely that our basic understanding of this historical figure is largely a marketing construct... he may have never actually done much more than exploit political circumstances for personal gain, outright steal the results of the exploration of others, and was someone who adapted to political and cultural pressures  - with great success. 

Nevertheless the journeys and dangers he was willing to face to that end were impressive, and his courage was not in short order.  Whether he actually 'discovered' anything will always be in question... but he did 'act', when others weren't so inclined.

 

I am 59 and was taught in Primary school that Columbus was Spanish !

Is this weird ?

As a child, I had always heard that he was an Italian, from Genoa. Later, I realized that his background was mysterious.

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I had actually read that he was a Spanish converso (Jews that converted to Christianity prior to the Spanish Inquisition), and timed his initial voyage to miss a crackdown on conversos.

The Inquisition knew that a lot of the converts were secretly still practicing Jews, but converted so they wouldn’t be attacked.

I guess I’m not surprised by this news then.


Tecate

I was actually a little surprised. He was thought of as a Catholic, and buried in a Spanish Cathedral.