A really big question

[MONAD Ops]

Sounds like a rather gnostic interpretation with hints of Sophia's fall if im not mistaken...

Yes as well as with the Creation stories or theory about how GOD brought LIGHT to this region during the precursor activities which made LIGHT beings like humans. 

I have wondered when he said LET THERE BE LIGHT where did he come from before getting here.

Was it a location outside of here...

[BeyondKnowledge]

Yes as well as with the Creation stories or theory about how GOD brought LIGHT to this region during the precursor activities which made LIGHT beings like humans. 

I have wondered when he said LET THERE BE LIGHT where did he come from before getting here.

Was it a location outside of here...

At the time that was written, that was cutting edge science as far as human knowledge went. They did not even have the words we now use to explain the beginning of everything. Now we would call that the Big Bang. As far as outside to exist in, they did not cover that in the Bible.

They do go on to explain the development of this solar system, the planet Earth, life on Earth, and so forth.

It is interesting how that all fits with the current scientific understanding of how it happened. 

They did get some parts right.

And then it starts falling apart. The whole knowledge is bad thing. Then where did Cain's wife in the land of Nod come from?

[Randyvine]

Sounds like a rather gnostic interpretation with hints of Sophia's fall if im not mistaken...

You are not mistaken my good man. I know because I just had to look that one up. :)

"Hint's of Sophia's Fall" thought you went all paperback on me for a second. lol

[Randyvine]

Religion at worse, kills very many people that don't believe as they do. No matter if
it is just an argument about which book is the true instructions. They don't even
consider all those books were written by people. 

If you believe banning guns is a good idea? Then at least I understand
where for comest thou. People kill people no distraction no deflecting
and no blame game. Hand guns, religion, the military NO! People kill
people that's it done. Any way any reason doesn't matter. We kill
each other because it is in our hearts to do so. Only when that
changes does it stop.

[chr0naut]

This is a very interesting thread. It brings so many ideas together about the nature of the universe and creation. 

Spoiler alert: I will explain it to you. Everything.

The universe is everything. The laws that regulate how things work are timeless. They just work. They do fail under certain extreams but that may be just our understanding of them and not knowing all of them and how they interact.

Space is the property of the universe that allows everything not to be in the same place. 

Time is the property of the universe that allows everything to not happen in a single instant.

Many years ago, people on this insignificant rock tried to explain this. They not only had a lack of understanding about many more things than we do now but they did not even have words to describe some concepts we are discussing. 

For this reason, they made a name for how everything works. It had to be simple. This name  was God. 

God was created by man to explain everything. I am not saying God does not exist. God is everything and everything is part of God. This was before the corruption of organized religion was invented, 

Science is trying to understand and explain the concepts of God (the universe). Many scientists don't know it because they are part of it. This is the observer effects what they are observing problem.

The universe made you and everything according to rules. You see everything in the universe the way you do because you are part of it.

In a way, humans questing the nature of the universe (God) is just the universe (God) trying to understand itself. 

I hope this inspires more thought and discussion.

The problems that arise from "the universe trying to understand itself" are;

* that it appears that the universe had some sort of finite beginning, and therefore there are causality problems with a preconscious universe organizing itself towards consciousness.

* we see no structures from which such universal scale self-consciousness could arise. Of course you could point to our consciousness, but that is only a fairly recent occurrence and we do not have the energetic capability even as a group, to control our own environment, let alone an entire universe.

* there is the problem of time and distance, where even the fastest known methods of communication from one extent to its diametric opposite are likely to be equivalent to something more than twice the age of the universe (if possible at all).

The conclusion that can be drawn is that the universe cannot understand itself.

[BeyondKnowledge]

The problems that arise from "the universe trying to understand itself" are;

* that it appears that the universe had some sort of finite beginning, and therefore there are causality problems with a preconscious universe organizing itself towards consciousness.

* we see no structures from which such universal scale self-consciousness could arise. Of course you could point to our consciousness, but that is only a fairly recent occurrence and we do not have the energetic capability even as a group, to control our own environment, let alone an entire universe.

* there is the problem of time and distance, where even the fastest known methods of communication from one extent to its diametric opposite are likely to be equivalent to something more than twice the age of the universe (if possible at all).

The conclusion that can be drawn is that the universe cannot understand itself.

You are assuming that the universe is as we preceive it. It may be something entirely different and we just think it is as we currently understand it. 

Have you considered we all could be one entity? It was lonely and board so made an area to exist physically in. This area has rules and materials in it. It made many copies of itself in this area, each one self aware but not aware it was only a copy of the whole. It has such fun watching what is basically a huge ant farm. All those tiny copies doing things physical lifeforms do. That is until those little existences ends, then it returns to the original form to add to all the other life experiences of all the others before it.

This is just one of the possibilities I have read about.