Columbus Day Discussion - Kamala Harris - Columbus Ushered In a Wave of Devastation

[FlyersFan]

It's Columbus Day. 
Democrats call it 'indigenous peoples day' now. 
Trying to wipe out anything white and European.
(Next they'll go after St. Patricks Day ... watch!)
But it'll always be Columbus Day.  

The arrival of Europeans was bad for the people who lived here.  But it was good for those who came and settled.  That's the way of the world.  Demographics change.   Long ago, ten thousand years ago, people lived here, then the Clovis arrived and wiped them out.  Then the 'American Indians' arrived and wiped out the Clovis.   Then the Europeans and others arrived and the American Indians were overtaken and dwindled.  Now it's all of South America invading .. and America will turn 'brown' and Spanish speaking.   And it'll be our own fault that we are over taken.  

Kamala Harris - Columbus Ushered In a Wave of Devastation

Kamala Harris quote about Columbus Day (which she calls 'Indigenous Peoples Day') - 

It is an honor, of course, to be with you this week as we celebrate Indigenous People’s Day as we speak truth about our nation’s history. Since 1934, every October, the United States has recognized the voyage of the European explorers who first landed on the shores of the Americas. But that is not the whole story.
 
That has never been the whole story. Those explorers ushered in a wave of devastation for tribal nations. Perpetrating violence, stealing land and spreading disease. We must not shy away from this shameful past, and we must shed light on it and do everything we can to address the impact of the past on native communities today.

I like one of the comments left - 

“Those explorers [illegals] ushered in a wave of devastation for tribal nations [aka American citizens}. Perpetrating violence, stealing land and spreading disease.”  Seems like an apt description of the illegals Biden and Harris have brought in.

[midicon]

It is what it is...history. Much to be proud of and much to regret.

Perhaps we have learned from it as the world has grown smaller.

[UltraBudgie]

It's Columbus Day. 
Democrats call it 'indigenous peoples day' now. 
Trying to wipe out anything white and European.
(Next they'll go after St. Patricks Day ... watch!)
But it'll always be Columbus Day.  

The arrival of Europeans was bad for the people who lived here.  But it was good for those who came and settled.  That's the way of the world.  Demographics change.   Long ago, ten thousand years ago, people lived here, then the Clovis arrived and wiped them out.  Then the 'American Indians' arrived and wiped out the Clovis.   Then the Europeans and others arrived and the American Indians were overtaken and dwindled.  Now it's all of South America invading .. and America will turn 'brown' and Spanish speaking.   And it'll be our own fault that we are over taken.  

Kamala Harris - Columbus Ushered In a Wave of Devastation

Kamala Harris quote about Columbus Day (which she calls 'Indigenous Peoples Day') - 


I like one of the comments left - 

he was colonizer right isnt that the new term right or 'blanket giver' haha because wait was columbus spanish or italian or white or jew and what do brown people think? he is all things to all men haha. these are the fine nuances we must consider if we are to elimnate racism.

[sahgwa]

What's funny is you have given those who disagree with Columbus Day ammunition and agreed with them in your very post

' That's the way of the world.  Demographics change.  '

[Byrd]

It's Columbus Day. 
Democrats call it 'indigenous peoples day' now. 
Trying to wipe out anything white and European.
(Next they'll go after St. Patricks Day ... watch!)
But it'll always be Columbus Day.  

The arrival of Europeans was bad for the people who lived here.  But it was good for those who came and settled.  That's the way of the world.  Demographics change.   Long ago, ten thousand years ago, people lived here, then the Clovis arrived and wiped them out.  Then the 'American Indians' arrived and wiped out the Clovis.   Then the Europeans and others arrived and the American Indians were overtaken and dwindled.  Now it's all of South America invading .. and America will turn 'brown' and Spanish speaking.   And it'll be our own fault that we are over taken.  

Kamala Harris - Columbus Ushered In a Wave of Devastation

Kamala Harris quote about Columbus Day (which she calls 'Indigenous Peoples Day') - 


I like one of the comments left - 

I think you've got some of the timeline scrambled.

Native Americans were the first humans in the Americas (roughly thirty thousand years ago).  As they separated into "nations", the cultures changed.  The Clovis culture dominated one area but faded when the large Ice Age mammals died (they changed weapon types because you don't hunt rabbits with a big mammoth-sticking spear (you hunt them with throwing sticks.))

Vikings showed up and settled but were never that enthused about L'Anse Aux Meadows ("too far and snaky," as we say in Texas) and abandoned the place, though they did leave traces and some intermarried.

Columbus arrived and started enslaving and killing the people of the land (note: he was such a brute that Isabella (who funded him) ordered him back to Spain and threw him in jail.)  Spanish-speaking people arrived and conquered and enslaved most of the Native Americans living in Central America (and eventually most of those in South America and in a very large part of western North America.  Russians and other Europeans showed up... not to trade with sovereign nations but to enslave or kill or remove the Native Americans who lived there.  Once they had a settlement, the Europeans brought out their code of laws and used that to tell the original native owners that they had no right to the hunting and fishing lands (or to their own homes.)

Native Americans who survived had to learn new languages and were usually treated as second and third class citizens unless they could pass for White (as some of my ancestors did.)  They had fewer rights than Blacks did until recent times.  The names of their nations were often changed ("Cherokee" is not the name of that people, for instance.)

So the "brown people" that you're alarmed about are actually the descendants of the original Native Americans, who were enslaved and forced to labor on the ranches and farms of their Spanish-speaking European conquerors.

[FlyersFan]

I think you've got some of the timeline scrambled.

Native Americans were the first humans in the Americas (roughly thirty thousand years ago).  As they separated into "nations", the cultures changed.  The Clovis culture dominated one area but faded when the large Ice Age mammals died (they changed weapon types because you don't hunt rabbits with a big mammoth-sticking spear (you hunt them with throwing sticks.))

So the "brown people" that you're alarmed about are actually the descendants of the original Native Americans, who were enslaved and forced to labor on the ranches and farms of their Spanish-speaking European conquerors.

I"m not alarmed about brown people.  (I have a brown adopted daughter .. we don't care about skin color).   I'm just stating that the demographics are changing.  This won't be a white country anymore.   It's going to be brown.  That's the nature of things.  Always changing.

Everything I've read says that before the Native American Indians that we know, there were the Clovis.  And before the Clovis there were others.  

https://today.tamu.edu/2015/07/21/study-...re-clovis/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n...s-3280645/

[Byrd]

Everything I've read says that before the Native American Indians that we know, there were the Clovis.  And before the Clovis there were others.  

https://today.tamu.edu/2015/07/21/study-...re-clovis/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n...s-3280645/

...as the Smithsonian article and TAMU says, the Native Americans (Indians) came to the land in three great migrations.  The ones before Clovis are Native Americans (and would include tribes descended from them who are linguistic isolates... like the Chumash.)

The Clovis people were Indians (Native Americans).

So were the ones before them (the ones who settled the Mesa Verde area some 30,000 years ago.)