(06-25-2024, 02:21 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Very well put ...
It would be irresponsible as hell to install a Palestinian state without complete security guarantees for Israel, a security no one can declare or guarantee in the 21st century, because after 10/7 one side still lives in the 17th century in a lot of ways.
It's not much different than how Japan went from fanatical enemies of the US to our strongest ally in the Pacific if not the world. They paid the price and the extremism was tempered tremendously, it took a couple of decades. Of course every time a leader in the middle east softens their stance on Israel, there is such a blowback in the hyper-religious GP they put thier lives in jeopardy. see Anwar Sadat.
Yes the Israelis have every right to demand security , and any countrys/state duty is to give security to citizens. The proble is Palestinians in Gaza and their crooked leadership wants only war and terrorism .
(06-25-2024, 05:00 AM)Notran Wrote: That's a very biased and one sided coverage of history.
You ve missed the part in which the Israeli State increased in a size out of nothing and expelled over 700,000 from their land.
https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba/
The great man nakba as it's called. Of courses the Arabs will reject such unfair partition and plan. You need to get some perspective on this part of history.
Israel has grown as a result of the Zionist project in which there are first and second/third class citizens.
It is now an apartheid state.
It's not true the Palestinian population was against peace.
The Israelis engaged into ethnic cleansing and the people who were driven out of their homes were never allowed back. What do you think the Gaza strip of?
Mainly descendants of this expulsion in 1948.
No, not biased . If we would go even further in history , arabs set up attacks against Jews there .
It`s telling how the Israelis Arabs wants to identify themselves , most clearly want to choose to live under Israel than Palestinian rule . Yet you are barking here genocide genocide . The opinions of Israeli Arabs in this matter clearly contradict your claims .
If Israel is so terrible, why do so many Arabs prefer to live under Israeli rule?
Report: 93% of Polled Arab Residents of Jerusalem Prefer Israeli Rule to Palestinian Authority
Survey: 60% of Arab Israelis have positive view of state
It does seems as , Hamas/Palestinians choosed to rather play the all or nothing card from start, meaning they wont allow jews living there, and when that is not to be concretized , they play victim .
