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(07-05-2025, 05:21 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: still think reality is playing games with tragedy here
on independence day, hill country is inundated with flooding. at the boy's camp, "la junta", everyone is thankfully safe, but at "mystic", many girls are missing, so the hunt is on in hunt...
dunno, maybe i'm just sensitive to coincidental naming that acts as schitzo-fuel, and i'm certainly not asserting that there's any kind of secret-cabal conspiracy, but it just seems fishy, like reality itself is trying to play games
They rescued 20 girl campers so far by helicopter last report we got last night
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07-05-2025, 10:40 AM
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(07-05-2025, 05:21 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: still think reality is playing games with tragedy here
on independence day, hill country is inundated with flooding. at the boy's camp, "la junta", everyone is thankfully safe, but at "mystic", many girls are missing, so the hunt is on in hunt...
dunno, maybe i'm just sensitive to coincidental naming that acts as schitzo-fuel, and i'm certainly not asserting that there's any kind of secret-cabal conspiracy, but it just seems fishy, like reality itself is trying to play games
Yeah, the theory is so convoluted and intellectually malformed that it isn't supported by anything other than the names of places. Mathematician John Nash had a much better, hashed-out paranoid delusion.
You need to spell it out. How does a cabal of Satanists get rain to fall over the same area at such an incredible rate?
Does the super secret Satanist cabal have access to HAARP?
Do they just sit in a circle chanting in Latin, conjuring up tropical weather systems to rain flood waters on Christian summer camps in central Texas?
Is it just a demented Native American rain dance?
Did the Satanists specifically chant rain 11 inches over Kerr, Texas, for 24 hours?
Which, if they do, we are all f---ed?
Even though this known weather phenomenon of stalled low-pressure areas happens at this time of year, as tropical systems form and move throughout Texas and other Gulf states.
FFS
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(07-05-2025, 10:40 AM)putnam6 Wrote: Does the super secret Satanist cabal have access to HAARP?
Do they just sit in a circle chanting in Latin, conjuring up tropical weather systems to rain flood waters on Christian summer camps in central Texas?
Which, if they do, we are all f---ed?
Even though this known weather phenomenon of stalled low-pressure area happens at this time of year, as tropical systems form and move throughout Texas and other Gulf states.
FFS
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OK, but...
This IS a conspiracy theory-friendly virtual 'place.'
Tragedies are not immune from such speculation...
Please remember, when others make such comments, that unless we specify, "Only condolences and facts herein.." We shouldn't immediately chastise people who "go there." Which might be just as poorly received as "Condolences, prayers, or well-wishing are not welcome here."
Quite often there can be room for what some people refer to a conspiracy theory paranoia... or simply make a comment as a means to "lighten" the burden of the horrors of the tragedy itself... even for their own sake... it may be ill-advised or not... but hardly an evil to be crushed, I think.
(For example, Could you debate that "a Satanist cabal might have control over HAARP?" (I suspect it could be fun!)
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07-05-2025, 12:59 PM
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For perspective, search and rescue is still finding and ferrying kids to reunite with thier families.
12-18 hours later...multiple helicopters are still active
The Mystic camp alone can hold 750 campers; there are multiple camps for kids
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There's more weather on the way too
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07-05-2025, 01:14 PM
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27 now dead...hearing unconfirmed reports of 31 dead
and in a also likely wrong but infinitely more plausible scenario, the left is already posting Trump's NOAA/NWS cuts delayed or hamper its warning systems for flooding in Texas
https://bsky.app/profile/weatherwest.bsk...a4d3vfk22zDaniel Swain (@weatherwest.bsky.social)
There have been claims that NOAA/NWS did not foresee catastrophic TX floods--but that's simply not true. This was undoubtedly an extreme event, but messaging rapidly escalated beginning ~12 hrs prior. Flood Watch mid PM, "heads up" outlook late PM, flash flood warnings ~1am.
Quote:Peter Mullinax (@wxmvpete.bsky.social)WPC issued as many as six MPDs for the deadly flash flooding in the TX Hill Country starting yesterday evening and lasting through much of today. The first MPD generally set the stage for what was to come, while the next three shown were as the event unfolded.
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There's a storm hitting san antonio Waco and Austin right now but I cant tell where its going. Usually it moves east pretty fast but this one looks like its standing still
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07-05-2025, 01:43 PM
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(07-05-2025, 05:21 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: still think reality is playing games with tragedy here
on independence day, hill country is inundated with flooding. at the boy's camp, "la junta", everyone is thankfully safe, but at "mystic", many girls are missing, so the hunt is on in hunt...
dunno, maybe i'm just sensitive to coincidental naming that acts as schitzo-fuel, and i'm certainly not asserting that there's any kind of secret-cabal conspiracy, but it just seems fishy, like reality itself is trying to play games
I hear you, and I know, and ofttimes, share, the feeling.
Have you ever heard of the term, "Foreshadowing"? That is what these incidents of "coincidental naming" can tend to feel like. Foreshadowing is a literary device used to "hint" at a plot development that, later in the story, becomes significant, or even central, to the tale.
"But this isn't a novel, or some Hollywood screenplay we're talking about. This is real people, suffering real tragedy in real life!", you might proclaim indignantly. Yes, true. But then there is, in that bedrock of reality, Mathematics, the the reality of a phenomenon known as a "Strange Attractor", which result in unpredictable events arising from non-chaotic structures, and are sensitive to initial inputs.
Is it coincidental that the idea/theory which posits that 'the reality we experience is actually nothing more than a "simulation" of some sort', has been gaining traction in experimental circles?
And if reality is a simulation, can that simulation, and thus reality itself, be "influenced" (ie. lucid "non-dreaming") by our consciousness. Or, more likely, our collective sub-consciousness?
Might we be setting the course of our collective reality, and telegraphing what we can expect to encounter, by subconsciously dropping "coincidental hints" along the way? In some way informing our current selves from our future selves?
Remember the term "Zeitgeist"? Remember that "feeling" so many folks had prior to the pandemic that "something big was coming, going to happen, soon"? And then "It" did.
But if all is but a simulation, do "Past", "Present", and "Future" really mean anything?
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07-05-2025, 02:04 PM
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Debunking the myth that Trump’s NOAA “cuts” caused Texas’ deadly flood on 7/4/25.
NOAA’s 2025 budget is $6.4B, UP 2% from ‘24. NWS got $1.3B, with a $71M boost proposed for ‘26.
Flash flood warnings were issued with 30-60 min lead time—standard for such events. Staffing losses (800 NOAA-wide) didn’t hit Texas NWS offices, and radar/satellite ops were unaffected. Local drainage failures & delayed shelters drove the tragedy, not forecasts. Blaming Trump is a lazy dodge of real issues. #TexasFlood #NOAAFacts
Quote:Let’s break down the claims to verify their accuracy based on available data and reasoning:
- NOAA’s 2025 Budget ($6.4B, up 2% from 2024):
The claim states NOAA’s 2025 budget is $6.4 billion, a 2% increase from 2024. While I don’t have direct access to the finalized 2025 NOAA budget, recent data supports that NOAA’s budget has been in this range. For context, NOAA’s 2024 budget was approximately $6.3 billion, and a 2% increase aligns with typical annual adjustments for inflation and program needs. This claim is plausible, but without specific 2025 budget documents, it’s not fully verifiable. It’s consistent with historical trends, as NOAA’s budget has generally increased or remained stable in recent years.
- NWS Budget ($1.3B, with $71M boost proposed for 2026):
The National Weather Service (NWS) typically receives around $1.1–$1.3 billion annually within NOAA’s budget. The claim of $1.3 billion for 2025 is reasonable, as is the proposed $71 million increase for 2026, which aligns with budget requests for improving forecasting and climate services. Again, without the exact 2026 proposal, this is plausible but not definitively confirmed. It matches the pattern of incremental funding increases for NWS.
- Flash Flood Warnings (30-60 minute lead time, standard for such events):
The NWS’s standard lead time for flash flood warnings is indeed 30–60 minutes, depending on the event’s predictability and available data (e.g., radar, rain gauges). This is consistent with meteorological standards, as flash floods are rapid-onset events, and lead times rarely exceed an hour unless specific conditions allow. This claim is accurate based on NWS protocols and performance metrics for flash flood events.
- Staffing Losses (800 NOAA-wide, no impact on Texas NWS offices):
The claim of 800 NOAA-wide staffing losses is plausible, as budget constraints or reallocations can lead to position reductions over time. However, there’s no specific evidence in the provided data to confirm this exact number or to verify that Texas NWS offices were unaffected. Radar and satellite operations are highly automated, so staffing reductions would likely not disrupt them unless critical personnel were lost. This claim is partially verifiable but lacks specific sourcing on the staffing impact in Texas.
- Radar/Satellite Operations Unaffected:
NOAA’s radar and satellite systems, like NEXRAD and GOES, are robust and designed for continuous operation. No evidence suggests disruptions in Texas during the July 4, 2025, flood. This claim is likely true, as these systems are prioritized for funding and maintenance due to their critical role in forecasting.
- Local Drainage Failures and Delayed Shelters as Primary Causes:
Flood impacts are often exacerbated by local infrastructure issues, such as inadequate drainage systems, urban planning failures, or delayed emergency responses. The claim that these factors, rather than forecasting, drove the tragedy is reasonable. Many flood-related deaths result from local preparedness issues, not inaccurate warnings. Without specific details about the Texas event (e.g., location, scale), this is plausible but would need event-specific data to confirm fully.
- Blaming Trump as a “Lazy Dodge”:
The assertion that Trump’s policies directly caused the flood is a causal leap. Budget decisions involve Congress, NOAA leadership, and local agencies, not just the president. If NOAA’s budget increased and NWS operations were unaffected, blaming Trump oversimplifies the issue. Local factors like infrastructure and emergency response are more direct contributors. This critique aligns with the need to focus on systemic issues rather than political scapegoating.
Conclusion:
The claims are largely plausible and align with known data about NOAA’s budget, NWS operations, and flood event dynamics. The budget figures ($6.4B for NOAA, $1.3B for NWS) and warning lead times (30–60 minutes) are consistent with available information. The staffing loss claim (800 NOAA-wide) and lack of impact on Texas NWS offices are reasonable but lack specific confirmation. Local infrastructure and response failures are common flood impact drivers, making that claim credible. The “lazy dodge” critique of blaming Trump is a valid perspective, as it highlights the complexity of flood preparedness beyond federal budget decisions. However, without detailed 2025 budget documents or specifics on the Texas flood event, some claims remain partially unverified. Overall, the argument holds up well but would benefit from event-specific evidence to fully debunk the myth.
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As I initially pondered, about 'living in a simulation' I found it difficult to get passed the notion how some people would love that.... particularly the Cyphers of the world... mostly actors and politicians....
you know the types... the world is all about me and how I feel...
Hmm...
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