COVID Vaccine “Safe and Effective” Narrative Collapses on Camera

[StoutBroux]

The system isn't letting me quote, but I do have a question for DTOM and others:  Where are these numbers coming from that say the increase in MS and so forth were caused by vaccines?  Is there a master database of people reporting harm?

The one I know of is/was maintained by the government, and it was self-reporting (I am part of the "no side effects" data in that database) and "harm" includes things like "fever" "pain on injection site" with very few reported Bad Things (not that I doubt there are Bad Things, but the number is very small and thousands of times smaller than the results of Covid.)

Now... the reason I'm asking is because a lot of other conditions are on the rise -- and rose immediately after the Affordable Care Act was passed.  People who couldn't afford to see the doctor now had insurance that allowed them to seek medical care.  Better medical care means better diagnoses.  (Now that the bill is lumbering through Congress to cut Medicaid and decrease Medicare, I expect to see "fewer" diagnoses -- not because people don't have this, but rather that they're waiting until they're so critical that they have to go to the emergency room or they die from the condition and associated complications (pneumonia.))

So...where's the DIRECT database that says "I got a shot and a month later I had MS" and a list of the diagnoses and the number of reports.  I'd like to take a look at it.


Here's the database from the self-reporting site for vaccine harm: https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html
Here's the site for applying for compensation for vaccine harm https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data

AI's summary of what the data says:
CICP data for COVID-19 claims (as of May 1, 2025):

• Total COVID-19 countermeasure claims filed: 13,764.
  
• Claims alleging injuries/deaths from COVID-19 vaccines: 10,681.
  
• Claims alleging injuries/deaths from other COVID-19 countermeasures: 3,113.
  
• Claims where the countermeasure is unclear: Included within the 3,113 claims for other COVID-19 countermeasure
  

I'm not seeing "millions" of cases here.


Here's the data/report on the increase in cases/diagnoses/health seeking behavior that's associated with the ACA rollout: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8133296/

Another one https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...5X23001154

This relates to cancer, specifically, but shows (from a public database) how much of an increase there was in cancer detection after the rollout of ACA: https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.201...suppl.6521

(*note:  ACA is Obamacare.)



Question:  Where does the "millions" figure come from and is it legit or is it someone grabbing data and assuming it's related?

VAERS reporting was in effect for Covid19 vaccines.  Available for all to access.  Not all who suffered death and injury were reported, but many were.  As far as the ACA, I'd guess just as many lost insurance as those that gained insurance.  The 'keep your doctor' lie was exposed for what it was and many went untreated because they no longer had insurance.  

As far as the 'millions', it may be that those numbers are world wide.  At the end of the day, the data is and will always be inaccurate since the government wasn't honest in their reporting.  The data from the government sites on Covid19 deaths was very corrupt.  The VAERS was reported directly by a person giving their information.  And quite frankly, if you or a family member or close friend were a person who was directly affected negatively after a vaccine was administrated, that is the truth you know, which is all that really matters.  The vaccine killed and maimed a lot of people.  That's it.  Does it matter if it was 100,000 vs one million?  As well, since the numbers were falsified from Corona Virus deaths, who knows how many people would have recovered vs not?  But I do know this, coverups happen for a reason.  And there was only one side pushing the lies and coverups. The vaccine should have NEVER been made mandatory nor ever pushed on children.  As well, the reasons for pushing the vaccines kept changing, so did the logic and the 'facts'.  The worst one was if you had taken the vaccine, you couldn't spread the virus.  Everyone knows that virus' can spread by touching a contaminated surface. I.e., clothing, a counter, the handle of a sink, a radio knob or another person - vaccinated or not - who had been in contact with the virus.  

The whole sham was disgusting.

[annonentity]

The system isn't letting me quote, but I do have a question for DTOM and others:  Where are these numbers coming from that say the increase in MS and so forth were caused by vaccines?  Is there a master database of people reporting harm?

The one I know of is/was maintained by the government, and it was self-reporting (I am part of the "no side effects" data in that database) and "harm" includes things like "fever" "pain on injection site" with very few reported Bad Things (not that I doubt there are Bad Things, but the number is very small and thousands of times smaller than the results of Covid.)

Now... the reason I'm asking is because a lot of other conditions are on the rise -- and rose immediately after the Affordable Care Act was passed.  People who couldn't afford to see the doctor now had insurance that allowed them to seek medical care.  Better medical care means better diagnoses.  (Now that the bill is lumbering through Congress to cut Medicaid and decrease Medicare, I expect to see "fewer" diagnoses -- not because people don't have this, but rather that they're waiting until they're so critical that they have to go to the emergency room or they die from the condition and associated complications (pneumonia.))

So...where's the DIRECT database that says "I got a shot and a month later I had MS" and a list of the diagnoses and the number of reports.  I'd like to take a look at it.


Here's the database from the self-reporting site for vaccine harm: https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html
Here's the site for applying for compensation for vaccine harm https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data

AI's summary of what the data says:
CICP data for COVID-19 claims (as of May 1, 2025):

• Total COVID-19 countermeasure claims filed: 13,764.
  
• Claims alleging injuries/deaths from COVID-19 vaccines: 10,681.
  
• Claims alleging injuries/deaths from other COVID-19 countermeasures: 3,113.
  
• Claims where the countermeasure is unclear: Included within the 3,113 claims for other COVID-19 countermeasure
  

I'm not seeing "millions" of cases here.


Here's the data/report on the increase in cases/diagnoses/health seeking behavior that's associated with the ACA rollout: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8133296/

Another one https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...5X23001154

This relates to cancer, specifically, but shows (from a public database) how much of an increase there was in cancer detection after the rollout of ACA: https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.201...suppl.6521

(*note:  ACA is Obamacare.)



Question:  Where does the "millions" figure come from and is it legit or is it someone grabbing data and assuming it's related?

  I must admit that you have a point, the more that you look the more that you will find, If there is a permanent downturn in the economy then some people will try and get a disability allowance. Thats why you have to be careful with what data is available. But the percentage of people doing this has to be in the single figures. 
 Nobody knows the true figures which seems to be strange, and can only be estimated forensically, But from what we now know about the heart damage alone ,notwithstanding all the other side effects the cumulative numbers over time will be massive. Remember the shot was supposed to stay in the point of injection. This didn't happen and now you have all the various organs producing a spike protein for a long extinct variety of the covid 19 and causing varying degrees of inflammation to those tissues. As of present spike protein has been detected in people up to 300 days after the last injection, with no let up in sight.
 How any government can contemplate going to war with this going on is astounding, unless all the competitive countries are experiencing the same thing. Which moves it into the realm of national defense where the fog would be even thicker then the present non stop propaganda.

[Byrd]

 Nobody knows the true figures which seems to be strange, and can only be estimated forensically,

But there's statistical tracking with the CDC (from hospitals) of what diseases and conditions are reported and who's dying of what and when.  And it's a public database (or was, till funding was cut... but... still, you can see the previous data during Covid.)

And the data matches state reports and county reports -- at least, the CDC does.

I don't see anything like the other claims, though.

But from what we now know about the heart damage alone ,notwithstanding all the other side effects the cumulative numbers over time will be massive. Remember the shot was supposed to stay in the point of injection. .

Err... no, that's not what vaccines do.  They're SUPPOSED to be picked up by the bloodstream and distributed throughout the body so that the whole body can fight the disease.  Staying in one spot makes no sense.  Every single vaccine ever produced circulates through your whole body.

[Byrd]

VAERS reporting was in effect for Covid19 vaccines.  Available for all to access.  Not all who suffered death and injury were reported, but many were.  
(snip)

As far as the 'millions', it may be that those numbers are world wide.

If it's worldwide, the wealthier countries did have tracking of injuries associated with vaccines.  The UK recorded 72 deaths associated with the vaccine: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...%20Novavax. 
(a greater number of people were vaccinated in the UK than in the US.)

Europe reports 12,000 deaths associated with the vaccine after 1 billion injections (https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regul...e%20deaths.)

(etcetera.)

So I'm asking, where did the numbers come from that people say are reflecting the harm caused by the vaccines?  I know where the deaths from Covid come from (and know people who've died from it and others with Long Covid)... where did the vaccine harm data come from?

[Byrd]

The database doesn't exist.   And that is a sad commentary on world-wide medicine, not just the USA.
Just like cfs was ignored in the 1970s.

The forums aren't a database and the posts don't seem to amount to the "millions" that I see quoted.  If you go through each of those and tag each unique statement (a real person and someone they said died from the vaccine) and discount the impossibles (your body's cells don't reproduce enough to have a large cancer appear after 5 days.  That's just someone who had cancer and didn't have good health care) then I would bet that the actual number is far less than 5,000.

People who actually knew the person who died.  Not data scrapes.  Real reports.

There's statistics on deaths from the vaccine worldwide, but it doesn't run into a million deaths, even after 8 billion vaccines given.

Where did that number ("millions") come from?  I see it everywhere but no one has yet been able to point to something that confirms it and gives a solid number (2.3 million?  1.8 million for the EU and USA?)

Where did the number come from?

[annonentity]

If it's worldwide, the wealthier countries did have tracking of injuries associated with vaccines.  The UK recorded 72 deaths associated with the vaccine: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...%20Novavax. 
(a greater number of people were vaccinated in the UK than in the US.)

Europe reports 12,000 deaths associated with the vaccine after 1 billion injections (https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regul...e%20deaths.)

(etcetera.)

So I'm asking, where did the numbers come from that people say are reflecting the harm caused by the vaccines?  I know where the deaths from Covid come from (and know people who've died from it and others with Long Covid)... where did the vaccine harm data come from?

 It came from VEARS, and the perception is gaining traction that the vaccine or rather the gene therapy experiment has killed more people than the wars combined, but now we will have to go through the period of "problem reaction solution"
 which no doubt will be worse than the rollout because you can see the subtle changes in government policy to contain and control the fallout ...as if they didn't know already?  I HOPE TO GOD That This COVID VACCINE Study Is NOT TRUE!

[Karl12]

The babies whose lives never happened due to miscarriages caused by the vaxs.

Info:









Probably just a colossal coincidence that the Rockefellers were discussing 'covert birth control in vaccines' in their 1968 and 1988 annual reports (and that Bill Gates is part of the family).

Quote:But the idea of using vaccines as sterilization agents—even without the public's knowledge or consent—is not conspiracy lore, but documentable fact.

In its 1968 annual report (PDF), the Rockefeller Foundation addressed the "Problems of Population," lamenting that "very little work is in progress on immunological methods, such as vaccines, to reduce fertility, and much more research is required if a solution is to be found here." The Foundation vowed to correct this problem by funding "established and beginning investigators to turn their attention to aspects of research in reproductive biology that have implications for human fertility and its control."

This was no empty promise. By the time of its 1988 Annual Report (PDF), the Rockefeller Foundation was able to report progress on its funding into contraceptive research, including NORPLANT, a contraceptive implanted under the skin of a woman's upper arm and effective for five years. In its 1988 report, the Rockefeller Foundation was pleased to announce that NORPLANT—which was developed by the Rockefeller-founded Population Council—was "now approved for marketing in 12 countries."

The Rockefellers' Population Council and other research organizations joined with the World Health Organization (WHO) in 1972 to create a Task Force on Vaccines for Fertility Regulation. By 1995, they were able to report progress in "developing a prototype of an anti-hCG-vaccine," which works by combining an immunogen formed from a synthetic peptide of human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG)—a hormone secreted by the surface of the early embryo to remain implanted in the womb—with a toxoid carrier molecule. The vaccine stimulates an immune reaction, causing women to develop antibodies against the hormone, thus preventing them from carrying babies to term.

Link

Regarding the WHO's partnership with Rockefeller's 'Population Council' (third link) also worth noting that the organisation used to be 'The American Eugenics Society'.

Cheers.

[StoutBroux]

So I'm asking, where did the numbers come from that people say are reflecting the harm caused by the vaccines?  I know where the deaths from Covid come from (and know people who've died from it and others with Long Covid)... where did the vaccine harm data come from?

Adverse reactions to Covid vaccines for Europe:  https://www.adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html#

01.)  COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (ELASOMERAN)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA JN.1
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA OMICRON XBB.1.5 (ANDUSOMERAN)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA ORIGINAL/OMICRON BA.1 (ELASOMERAN, IMELASOMERAN)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA ORIGINAL/OMICRON BA.4-5 (ELASOMERAN, DAVESOMERAN)
06.)  COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH (TOZINAMERAN)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH JN.1 (BRETOVAMERAN)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH OMICRON KP.2
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH OMICRON XBB.1.5 (RAXTOZINAMERAN)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH ORIGINAL/OMICRON BA.1 (TOZINAMERAN, RILTOZINAMERAN)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH ORIGINAL/OMICRON BA.4-5 (TOZINAMERAN, FAMTOZINAMERAN)
12.) COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
COVID-19 VACCINE BIMERVAX (SELVACOVATEIN)
14.) COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S)
COVID-19 VACCINE NOVAVAX (NVX-COV2373)
COVID-19 VACCINE NOVAVAX OMICRON JN.1 (NVX-COV2373)
COVID-19 VACCINE NOVAVAX XBB.1.5 (NVX-COV2373)
COVID-19 VACCINE VALNEVA
COVID-19 VACCINE VIDPREVTYN BETA
COVID-19 sa-MRNA VACCINE KOSTAIVE (ZAPOMERAN)

The data below is what I selected by the main producer.  With the ascending categories, I did not list the number of cases in order to keep my response a little shorter.

 01.)  The number of individual cases identified in EudraVigilance for ELASOMERAN is 389,132 
 06.)  The number of individual cases identified in EudraVigilance for TOZINAMERAN is 1,272,463
 12.)  The number of individual cases identified in EudraVigilance for COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19) is 554,891 
 14.)  The number of individual cases identified in EudraVigilance for COVID-19 VACCINE VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S) is 72,957

So the total vaccine injuries just for the listed main vaccines is 2,289,443.  There are many more with the total figure well over 2,300,000 if someone wants to check the numbers as I did.  But I made my point with the above information.

ETA: Adding this in as the disclosure on the site regarding the information provided:
 COVID-19 important messagesImportant information to consider before looking at ADR reports for the COVID-19 vaccines

• The information on this website relates to suspected side effects, i.e. medical events that have been observed following the administration of the COVID-19 vaccines, but which are not necessarily related to or caused by the vaccine. These events may have been caused by another illness or be associated with another medicine taken by the patient at the same time.
  
• The EMA’s scientific assessment takes into account many other factors, such as the patient’s medical history, the frequency of the suspected adverse reaction in the vaccinated population compared to the frequency in the general population and whether it is biologically plausible that the vaccine could have caused the event.
  
• Only a detailed assessment of all available data allows for robust conclusions to be drawn on the benefits and risks of the COVID-19 vaccines.
  
• Each individual case generally refers to a single patient; however, more than one side effect may have been included in a single report. Therefore, the number of side effects will not be the same as the number of individual cases.
  
• The data included in this website reflects the reports submitted by national competent authorities and pharmaceutical companies. They may contain duplicated information. EMA checks the reports as part of its scientific assessment and that also includes the identification of duplicates.
  

Warning for cases with a fatal outcome

• This website does not provide the total number of cases reported with a fatal outcome. It provides the number of cases reported as fatal for specific reactions groups (e.g. cardiac disorders) and for specific reactions (e.g. myocardial infarction). Since one individual case may contain more than one suspected side effect, the sum of the number of fatal cases per reaction group will always be higher than the total number of fatal cases.
  
• The number of cases in the website, including those reported with fatal outcome, which may have a variety of different causes, should be put in the context of the different vaccines' exposure (numbers of given doses may vary significantly from one vaccine to another). Data about exposure is published by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en).
  

[chivo]

They are being told by their own masters that they got f**ked, but NO. THE OFFICIAL DATA.

Really is better this way... At some point there's so much sorry you can feel for sheep, then it gets very old very soon and then it is just anoying

[UpIsNowDown]

who was it that even coined the phrase safe and effective?

i know who it was, but how is it that person is still worshipped like a god?