Burning the USA Flag

[UltraBudgie]

It is not possible to "desecrate" a national symbol in a secular republic.

[RichardHurt]

The way I see it is that if burning a flag is someone's way of protesting the current system be it the country they reside in or not. They should be free to do so. The ones burning the flag are fully aware of the consequences of doing so hence why they are doing it.
In the end it is just a piece of cloth that triggers people's emotions and sometimes rightfully so. But burning a piece of cloth in a safe manner with no direct threat to a living thing or a piece of property should be of no concern. Consider it like a burn pile. But it's just a piece of cloth. 
All the triggerness that is being associated with this is ridiculous as it is just a piece of cloth.
But hey cloths lives matter too I guess

[Mantiss2021]

It is not possible to "desecrate" a national symbol in a secular republic.

True.


But it is also the case that lurking under the (thin) skin of every "patriot" you will find a religious (of one kind or another) zealot.

[Harte]

 

Let's go to the horse's mouth, shall we?

He's making it illegal to burn an American flag if other laws are broken during the act.

Which is kind of rather open to interpretation by law enforcement.

It's not a good look at all.

Then again, it's all just a distraction from the Epstein debacle and cover-up, so.... 

Wonder what he will do next?

The EO is fully expected to reach the Supreme Court (just like the birthright citizenship EO.) It was written for that reason (among other, more political reasons.)
The scope of free speech in this situation calls for some clarity. Free speech already has limitations in other situations. Clarity here would be welcome.
I agree that flag burning is protected political speech. I'd like to know under what situation (if any) it isn't.
I have no problem with the EO at all.

Harte

[FlyersFan]

It is not possible to "desecrate" a national symbol in a secular republic.

Lets see ...

Definition of "desecrate" - Verb - treat (a sacred place or thing) with violent disrespect; violate.

Definition of 'sacred' - Adjective - connected with God (or the gods) or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration.


YEP.  You are correct.  Both Trump and Hillary got it wrong.

[CriticalStinker]

The way I see it is that if burning a flag is someone's way of protesting the current system be it the country they reside in or not. They should be free to do so. The ones burning the flag are fully aware of the consequences of doing so hence why they are doing it.
In the end it is just a piece of cloth that triggers people's emotions and sometimes rightfully so. But burning a piece of cloth in a safe manner with no direct threat to a living thing or a piece of property should be of no concern. Consider it like a burn pile. But it's just a piece of cloth. 
All the triggerness that is being associated with this is ridiculous as it is just a piece of cloth.
But hey cloths lives matter too I guess

People associate burning the flag as a F U to America. That’s not always the message. I saw a video on X of an alleged 20 combat veteran to do it out of defiance to the EO. That’s the ironic part here, is flag burning hasn’t been in style for a long time. Making an issue out of something that otherwise wasn’t one is just that, now it will be an issue.

That said, many people burn the flag in metaphorical ways every day. The idea of American Exceptionalism I think most people have was from a previous form, where there was more broader decency. I can think of many ways citizens, politicians, and others are just as damaging to the flag than if they had burned it.

We have failed our veterans for decades. I can’t find current numbers, but in 2022 17.6 veterans committed suicide… per day. That to me is more of a disgrace than any person thinking they’re changing the world by burning a flag.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

I saw a video on X of an alleged 20 combat veteran to do it out of defiance to the EO.

And they never would've done it without the EO.

I saw that too.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-h...rcna226727

A 20 year combat veteran says:

"I’m burning this flag as a protest to that illegal fascist president that sits in that House,"

And I'm sure above and below his chain of command his actions are called both valor and disgrace.

But you gotta hate the intentionally backwards logic of "The Leader" on this one.

"When you burn the American flag, it incites riots at levels that we’ve never seen before. People go crazy."

Then why'd you incite a bunch of people to fucking do it by making it an issue? 

He's gotta know people HATE HIM SO DAMN much they'll do things for the catharsis of pissing him off and defying his orders. 

Pair this with right to mobilize guard troops, supersede the Governor in any state, and you have a president inciting the protest he gets to call in the national guard for... or pushing everything that direction.

He WANTS angry protestors burning the American flag. He wants the social unrest in our streets. He wants the fucking military patrolling streets with guns. He wants to instill obedience and subservience. And he's going to get away with it.

This order is another one of his subversive attacks on America, IMO, because he did with the intent to sew the seeds of civil unrest, knowing full well his order will provoke behavior he has to respond to... with specialized units of personnel. 

I'm sick of him playing stupid with his troll EOs. And it would go a long way if he cut the doublespeak bullshit and admitted his intent is to MAKE PEOPLE GO CRAZY.

[putnam6]

And they never would've done it without the EO.

I saw that too.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-h...rcna226727

A 20 year combat veteran says:

And I'm sure above and below his chain of command his actions are called both valor and disgrace.

But you gotta hate the intentionally backwards logic of "The Leader" on this one.

Then why'd you incite a bunch of people to fucking do it by making it an issue? 

He's gotta know people HATE HIM SO DAMN much they'll do things for the catharsis of pissing him off and defying his orders. 

Pair this with right to mobilize guard troops, supersede the Governor in any state, and you have a president inciting the protest he gets to call in the national guard for... or pushing everything that direction.

He WANTS angry protestors burning the American flag. He wants the social unrest in our streets. He wants the fucking military patrolling streets with guns. He wants to instill obedience and subservience. And he's going to get away with it.

This order is another one of his subversive attacks on America, IMO, because he did with the intent to sew the seeds of civil unrest, knowing full well his order will provoke behavior he has to respond to... with specialized units of personnel. 

I'm sick of him playing stupid with his troll EOs. And it would go a long way if he cut the doublespeak bullshit and admitted his intent is to MAKE PEOPLE GO CRAZY.

FFS, Trump doesn't want that; chaos and protests it would kill the midterms and beyond...

He has to live in the world after he isn't President, he isn't going to shit on his legacy intentionally

I don't like it either, but Americans have plenty of other stuff to lose their shit over, first


Now look at what orange Hitler is trying to do; he is going to pay off the people to distract them from Epstein. 
 

 

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[Bootless]

It is not possible to "desecrate" a national symbol in a secular republic.

Vexillolatry is a hard word to remember. It means worship of a flag.

Much depends upon someone's interpretation of the scriptural recitation:
“I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” 4 U.S. Code § 4

Nation under God, may be seen as the rationale for why we should keep the flag raised above the ground always.

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Editor's note:

The preceding text may have been influenced by Star Trek, season 2, episode 23, The Omega Glory. Don't blame me, it was the media, I tell you.

[guyfriday]

It's one of those issues where the 1A gives the people the right to freedom of speech, but also inversely gives us the right to walk away if we don't like what's being expressed. 

I'll leave this video here:



As I personally believe that this might be over-reach. What's going to need to happen is an explanations as to how this will be enforced.