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Biden Joins Black Free Mason Lodge in South Carolina
#11
@FlyersFan,

First of all, Freemasonry is not a religion. It doesn't worship any specific god. The Grand Architect stands for any kind of the Supreme Being the members of the lodge believe in. It can be Christian God, it can be Allah, it could be any deity you believe in. The lodge is not a place of worship, it's an esoteric Fraternity that helps its members in their spiritual and human development. It has no doctrines and no "grievous punishments" for breaking the oath of secrecy LOL.

And it's hardly so secret. There's a lot of information about it online, there are numerous books that describe it objectively. I know one thing. I can either believe the biased Church propaganda or I can go straight to the source and see for myself what Freemasonry is. I prefer the latter.
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(01-27-2025, 09:42 AM)Anna Wrote: @FlyersFan,

First of all, Freemasonry is not a religion.....I can either believe the biased Church propaganda ...

Freemasonry has an altar.  It has rites.  It has the outfits. 
It has a 'grand architect' ... their version of a god.   It's a religion.

It is in direct opposition to the Catholic church and has worked against it for hundreds of years.
You can believe the Masonry propaganda that it's not a religion and that it's not against the Catholic church.
I'll believe the facts that show otherwise.

Freemasonry and Catholicism are incompatible.
If someone wants to be Catholic, they can not be a Freemason as well.
It's not possible, no matter what the Mason propaganda claims.
Pick one or the other.   Can't be both and be a 'good' Catholic.
It's just that simple.
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(01-26-2025, 03:38 PM)argentus Wrote: I am of the opinion that the Catholic Church's view of Masonry dates back to the Knights Templar.   I think that the Catholic church was originally supportive and even appreciative of the Templars, until the group became more influential than the church.   After that, of course, they had to go, and I believe that Pope Clement V -- who had been somewhat roughly deposed from Rome to Avignon -- collude with King Phillip IV of France to round up and execute the Templars.    

I believe that Freemasonry was derived from the Knights Templar, and that conventional Masonry derived from them.  I really don't think the papacy cares one way or the other these days, but I think they still feel the roots of their historic rancor.    The precedding verbosity is entirely my opinion.

Free Masonry goes pretty far back...like well into the middle ages...I think the first documentation of is from like the 1400s. If you ask a free mason they would say it goes back to the time of King Solomon and the building of his temple...circa 1000 BC.

Not sure what about Free Masonry would be aginst the church as every lodge I have ever heard of requires you to believe in a higher power and all I have any experience with in the US feature a bible at every meeting. Funny thing about Catholicism...they still think a pope can speak for God. God speaks for God's self!
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(01-27-2025, 01:37 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: Freemasonry has an altar.  It has rites.  It has the outfits. 
It has a 'grand architect' ... their version of a god.   It's a religion.

It is in direct opposition to the Catholic church and has worked against it for hundreds of years.
You can believe the Masonry propaganda that it's not a religion and that it's not against the Catholic church.
I'll believe the facts that show otherwise.

College fraternities and sororities also have rites, secret signs, pledges and outfits but religions they are not.

The Catholic Church surely has a monopoly on "facts" about Freemasonry. Such facts like that if you wanted to dispose of a pious dictator of Ecuador who wanted to rule eternally, you first had to go to Germany and ask your Masonic brethren for a super secret death sentence signed by Bismarck himself who was obviously under the influence of Mephistopheles. Only then you could come back home and smash the head of your sworn enemy with a machete. 

Or that you had to ally with the Devil to snatch papacy lands and create modern Italy. Or to guillotine a perverted alliance of the altar and throne which starved the miserable French.

Freemasonry for the Church is just a convenient scapegoat to blame for all the democratic, anti-aristocratic and revolutionary forces that diminished the political power of the papacy. It's Satan always ready to demolish the sacred  corrupted status quo. 

But believe whatever the Church is telling you.
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(01-27-2025, 06:42 PM)Anna Wrote: Freemasonry for the Church is just a convenient scapegoat ...

Nope.  Freemasonry has worked against the Catholic church for hundreds of years.  The very foundation of Freemasonry, which IS a disguised religion, is in direct opposition to the teachings of the Church as well.  No one can be a Catholic and a Mason.   They are in direct opposition.  

At every turn, Joe Biden shows why he isn't really a Catholic.  He claims to be.  He thinks he is one.  But everything he does is against the teachings and rules of the Church.   That's what a Protestant would do.  Therefore, he is actually some form of Protestant.  

The Catholic church has rules in place for reasons which they give.  If a person isn't going to bother bother following the rules, then they have no business claiming to be a Catholic.  Cuz' they aren't really one.  They just claim to be one out of habit or because they think it's a fraternal club, which it's not.


Freemasonry actively seeks the destruction of the Catholic church.
And it's foundation and belief system is naturalism.
And indifferentism towards the worlds religions.
And believing that if a human can't understand it, then it's not to be believed.
No deeper understanding or meditation on Gods Word should be sought.
While acknowledging a 'grand architect', they don't say who that 'grandarchitect' is that they believe in.
Could be satan for all we know. 
In fact, considering what naturalism and indifferentism is, that very well could be who actually directs this group.
It's a religion that denies Gods activities with His people, and disguising itself as a fraternal organization.
And it's actively seeking the destruction of the Catholic church.
Their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Catholic Church.
Therefore, Biden thumbing his nose at the Catholic church teaching and joining a Mason lodge is demonic.

Why Catholics Can Not Be Masons

Quote:Pope Leo XIII greatly expanded on the Church’s teaching nearly 150 years later in his 1884 papal encyclical Humanum Genus. The encyclical detailed why Freemasonry is irreconcilable with Catholicism and accused the Freemasons of “planning the destruction of the holy Church publicly and openly” and holding to doctrines that contradict Church teaching.

According to Leo, Freemasonry adheres to naturalism, which he says is the idea that “human nature and human reason ought in all things to be mistress and guide.” He adds that “they deny that anything has been taught by God; they allow no dogma of religion or truth which cannot be understood by the human intelligence, nor any teacher who ought to be believed by reason of his authority.”

A papal encyclical detailing just some of the Masonic attacks on the Catholic church in the 1800s Europe.

Quote:For example, in his 1873 encyclical Etsi Multa, Blessed Pope Pius IX detailed Masonic political attacks on the Church in Italy, Switzerland, and Germany. He referred to the Masonic “deceits and machinations” as forming “the synagogue of Satan” in reference to the second and third chapters of the Book of Revelation.
 
The encyclical touches on attacks against Catholic education, specifically the Gregorian University in Rome being “suppressed and abolished.” Regarding Switzerland, it discusses the passage of anti-Catholic laws, state intrusion into Church matters, and “the violent banishment of our venerable brother Gaspar, bishop of Hebron and vicar apostolic of Geneva.” It also details the “persecution set in motion” against Catholics and the suppression of religious freedom in the German Empire, particularly in Prussia. 
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#16
You can not be Catholic and be a Mason.  
The religions are in direct opposition to each other.
Freemasonry denies it's a religion.
But upon reading their beliefs and practices, it's clear that they actually are
and they are disguising themselves as a fraternity.

USCCB declaration - the principles and basic rituals of Masonry embody a naturalistic religion active participation in which is incompatible with Christian faith and practice.

The Catholic Church's current norm on Masonic associations is the 1983 CDF Declaration on Masonic associations. The 1983 CDF declaration states that Catholics "who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

The "irreconcilable principles" that the Church believes Freemasonry possesses include a "deistic God,"naturalism, and religious indifferentism.

1983 Vatican Declaration on Catholics and Masonry
Quote:Therefore the Churchs negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.


The ban is upheld for hundreds of years and remains unchanged.  

Papal Bans on Freemasonry
Quote:Leo XIII wrote that his primary objection to Masonry was naturalism, his accusations were about pantheismrationalism, and naturalism; but not about Satanism. Leo XIII analysed continental Grand Orient type philosophical "principles and practices." While naturalism was present everywhere in other types of lodges, "the subversive, revolutionary activity characteristic of the Grand Orient lodges of the continent" was not. Leo XIII "emphasises that 'the ultimate and principle aim' of Masonry 'was to destroy to its very foundations any civil or religious order established throughout Christendom, and bring about in its place a new order founded on laws drawn out of the entrails of naturalism'."
 
Quote:In 1983, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who later became Pope Benedict XVI, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, with the personal approval of Pope John Paul II, issued a Declaration on Masonic Associations, which reiterated the Church's objections to Freemasonry. The 1983 declaration states that "faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion. ... the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic association(s) remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. CDF 1983 "stipulated that neither" CDF 1974 nor CDF 1981 "allowed an individual bishop or bishops' conferences to permit Catholics to belong to masonic lodges."

Quote: A USCCB committee concluded in its 1985 Letter to U.S. Bishops Concerning Masonry that "the principles and basic rituals of Masonry embody a naturalistic religion active participation in which is incompatible with Christian faith and practice." "Those who knowingly embrace" masonic "principles are committing serious sin" and, according to Law's parenthetical commentary on Whalen, that offense might be punishable under canon 1364.
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Pictures of Biden being declared a full Mason, plus the declaration from the Masons -

https://www.conferenceofgrandmasterspha....holarships

All those black faces in South Carolina.

And Biden being white, from Delaware, and a member of a religion that forbids membership to the Masons.

Gotta' ask .... WHY?
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