Are we the true leaders?

[UltraBudgie]

Nice assessment, full of anecdotes, but completely wrong, at least where i am concerned.

A bit of advice, lose the fascination with me and return to the topic at hand.

As to bias towards survival, what a load of tripe.

What other colour of the day is there apart from survival? LoL

We are concerned about your bowels and wish you happy regularity. That is not off topic.

[andy06shake]

We are concerned about your bowels and wish you happy regularity. That is not off topic.

Well, it is trippy and weird. 

The topic is "Are we the true leaders" not me, or witches' opinions of me.

Again, humans require rules, and without them anarchy prevails.

That's just part of the human condition.

True freedom is as illusory as security.

[Sirius]

Nice assessment, full of anecdotes, but completely wrong, at least where i am concerned.

A bit of advice, lose the fascination with me and return to the topic at hand.

As to bias towards survival, what a load of tripe.

What other colour of the day is there apart from survival? LoL

There is no fascination, it's the topic at hand...you are posting I am posting. I am who I am, Elohim Adonai Shaddai Elyon Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh

What is the threat about? A bit of advice? 

"As to bias towards survival, what a load of tripe." how can you deny this?

I guess the reaction is deserved

I feel like telling the rest of the story now, don't worry, there are no secrets. My childhood is officially recorded

My next thought after "nobody cares", was if he had anything worth taking. I slept in a box behind a supermarket that night, a fond memory, it was warm, a brief moment of comfort. I remember it all

"Are we the true leaders?" No we are the bad guys

It's okay, I'll stop, I know, I know. Don't instigate, I must suck it up or whatever, suck up what exactly? Your reality

I heard it all before

[ReturnofBroccoli]

And yet you follow them every day.

Humans need rules, else anarchy prevails.

And then the colour of the day equates to survival of the fittest.

Could you handle the world that way ReturnofBroccoli?

Because it would tear itself apart at the seams.

Andy I do not fit in the box you're trying to shove me in and in a world of survival of the fittest I would thrive with my team.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Well, it is trippy and weird. 

The topic is "Are we the true leaders" not me, or witches' opinions of me.

Again, humans require rules, and without them anarchy prevails.

That's just part of the human condition.

True freedom is as illusory as security.

Again, I tell you, you are as free as you believe you are. Your issue are rules, rules that others have the freedom to bring consequences to your negative behaviors. That doesnt mean you aren't free to act the fool. Act away!
*you are so not a fool*

Rules do not mean you are not free to make a choice. many people have made the other choice thats why our prison system is filled and even more so have made away with their choice. Things go unsolved all the time. Bodies are currently turning up in bayous all over Houston and no one has any idea who it is. Maybe we will solve it maybe we won't.

You can still choose. Just choose wisely because theres a giant team of people who believe you shouldn't do certain things and will exact their will upon you in return for you doing the same.

[Kurokage]

It's all just an illusion.

[Paynful]

In theory, sounds great - in reality there's too much money in the game of war. Even before the profits of it, we are instinctual warmongers and haters. It didn't take Gorak very long to figure out a giant bone makes a great club for bashing.

 

[Astyanax]

This thread needs someone to state the obvious. Allow me.

Here's the problem: people all want different things. And we have differing ideas about what we don't want, too.

Sometimes we try to decide what we end up getting through various systems of compromise. For example, we have systems that let people vote for what they want and don't want (and, of course, for the leaders they want). The side that gets the most votes wins and the side that gets fewer votes agrees to accept the result. That's called democracy. It is independent of the system of government; in fact, one of the things you can vote for in a democracy is the system of government – you can choose Communism, Socialism, social democracy, or some pragmatic combination of these systems. Even authoritarianism (see, e.g., Singapore).

The trouble is that no system of government, or even a hybrid system, will suit everyone,. And some people aren't willing to accept the compromise. So then there's a fight.

Sometimes it seems like all this arguing and voting (and fighting, if it comes to that) is too much trouble, or isn't getting us what we want: so we decide that what we really need is a good strong leader.

So we emplace one, either by voting for them (see, e.g., Julius Caesar) or by some more assertive method, such as a revolution, a military or administrative coup, or submission to the suzerainty of a foreign power. Everything is hunky dory for a few months, then people find that the Great Leader isn't delivering what everybody wants after all,  only what his cronies and supporters want. The discontent begins. GL cracks down, his repression generates more discontent, he (or she) cracks down harder and tyranny is the result. A few parasites will prosper, but the rest of us will be lucky if we only have to live in fear and misery until he is deposed or dies. But then, what happens next? If we're really unlucky, we'll get a dynasty of Marcoses or Duvaliers or Kims. If we're slightly less unlucky we become China. But even a China takes time (thousands of years by some counts).

So much for the Great Leader solution.

Finally, there's libertarianism, or as some of us like to call it, anarchy. A few of you may favour libertarianism. Most people do not. They dislike it so much that no libertarian state has ever existed in history.

So that's the problem, you see. The day we stop fighting will be the day we stop wanting – and needing, sadly – different things. That's not going to happen any time soon.

[Maxmars]

I remember at least once writing this before... and it is an opinion.

Leadership is an event, not a skill.
Leaders "happen."

It depends on where you are, who you are with, and what your facing.

We as humans WANT to have a good path to follow... leaders often stumble down that path first.
If it were all cut and dry, perfect and Utopian, leaders aren't necessary.

And yes... the single - tried and true - perfect accompaniment to "leading and leadership"  is love.

While cynics may declare that smarmy and meaningless....
people who have experienced love outside the romantic all know better. 

And I suspect it is the single most important element of value a leader can share without compromise. 
Many hypercritically characterize it in vile terms...

but their practices have lead us to where we are now...

Followers who can't think, have no dignity, only 'owe' work and loyalty... all the tropes right here in real life.... employee "LEADERS" who actually say employees "should be grateful to them for their jobs."

That is representative of leadership without love.