Belief in Non-Terrestrial Lifeforms

[CCoburn]

Nothing wrong with believing. I used to believe and followed every story.

I still keep an eye on the UFO phenomena but it's just entertainment really.

Regarding this thread about the effects that might accompany such 'encounters'. My comment was really about the psychological, not the physical if that makes sense.

I'm an old Jungian of sorts. I say that as it might clarify my perspective a little.

I think with me it's more about 'caring' than it is "believing". I'm like: yeah they exist, so what? I've contemplated way more bizarre(and many paradoxically absurd) things than alien life existing elsewhere in the cosmos. "They're visiting Earth?" Meh, I did a lot of work on the car today and am more interested in a test drive and getting out of the house for a while tomorrow. It was getting dark as I was finishing, was a little tired, so called it a day.

But I'll create a thread about it that's more suitable for a reply and anyone else that's wants to chime in on "belief in alien life elsewhere in the universe".

[UltraBudgie]

their ambiguity is a projection of our inability to disprove solipsism

like i am for you

eta them showing up is gated by the superego's desire to reduce the unknown unknown rather than elevate and expand it. they'll stay hidden as long as being perceived is a threat to the cryptic. i suspect they have no choice in that either, but of course well never know haha.

[CCoburn]

The ambiguity like what's the difference between angels and aliens? The wings could just be metaphor for ability to take flight, not literally, or maybe other-dimensional entities of pure consciousness that don't require the spatial for their existence but only the dimension of time, although perhaps they can manifest/project their existence spatially for whatever reason.

[CCoburn]

I'm thinking more like existing in an alternate configuration of dimensions as in less. I'm not really sure I believe in extra dimensions beyond the common four.

[Sirius]

cool thread  

Belief, what is belief? A conviction, acceptance without proof. My belief in that I can fly isn't going to change what happens if I jump off a cliff.

Our "Belief in Non-Terrestrial Lifeforms" or lack thereof doesn't matter.
 

The ambiguity like what's the difference between angels and aliens? The wings could just be metaphor for ability to take flight, not literally, or maybe other-dimensional entities of pure consciousness that don't require the spatial for their existence but only the dimension of time, although perhaps they can manifest/project their existence spatially for whatever reason.

To me this speaks more about the hierarchy of things and where you considered yourself in the food chain. If you place yourself at the top only gods and angles and demons and other mystical things can exist above you.

In reality you got to the top through competition and that is how it works and we will have to again or you are lunch.  This is the natural way, thinking non-terrestrial lifeforms won't follow this basic rule if they are flesh and blood is folly.
 

I'm thinking more like existing in an alternate configuration of dimensions as in less. I'm not really sure I believe in extra dimensions beyond the common four.

Using "simulation" metaphorically, but maybe also not. If we stick to flesh and bones within the simulation it sounds absurd to me also.  Higher entities must exist on a different plane, like we are a hologram and they run the simulation.  It's not so much spatial dimensions as completely sperate and what we see, where we are is not "reality".

[UltraBudgie]

cool thread  

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Higher entities must exist on a different plane, like we are a hologram and they run the simulation.  It's not so much spatial dimensions as completely sperate and what we see, where we are is not "reality".

yes i agree the term dimensions is eyerolling sometimes woo-woo, in physics as field domain it makes sense, in epistemological matters it is lazy way to say what you just said. culturally the fifth dimension trope is a substitute for ocp (outside context problem) that changes the game like fish in the ocean calling land the fifth dimension see handy image at right oh my coffee is ready i cannot rant more about this likely for the best

there is no reason to think that alien intelligences would consider being perceived/contacted as a passive act. that is a human bias. they very well might consider being seen to be the same as being conquered. our brand of consciousness subjugating them to our truth-matrix.

[CCoburn]

yes i agree the term dimensions is eyerolling sometimes woo-woo, in physics as field domain it makes sense, in epistemological matters it is lazy way to say what you just said. culturally the fifth dimension trope is a substitute for ocp (outside context problem) that changes the game like fish in the ocean calling land the fifth dimension see handy image at right oh my coffee is ready i cannot rant more about this likely for the best

I can conceive other dimensions of existence that make more sense to me than calabi-yau manifolds (which is probably just a mathematical orgasm).

[UltraBudgie]

I can conceive other dimensions of existence that make more sense to me than calabi-yau manifolds (which is probably just a mathematical orgasm).

Unless you work with the stuff directly, complex manifold are practically useless, because explaining them is so abstruse. There's not exactly a wide audience for that stuff. So, in a real sense, if it doesn't exist on the "simple English" version of Wikipedia, it is imaginary thumb-twiddling. So, by that logic, all you're going to get are manifolds such as explained in https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifold

But remember math is a tool to model systems of perception of reality, so if you start by trying to understand the details of the math and then seeing how reality might match that, it's a backwards practice, isn't it?

[CCoburn]

They're probably applying mathematics in a context where it isn't relevant, so they reconcile with these bizarre micro-dimensions.