Aliens/space elevators what is your opinion?

[Shoshanna]

Hi friend - 
I am pasting below what I retyped here.  For background, I am a Thelemite and follow ritual and meditational /mystical paths at attempted self-realisation and union with my Higher Self.

I saw a ‘grey alien’ in waking consciousness, while standing, in my hallway late at night/early in the morning around 2010 or so.

I did some LAM workings and some meditations on 'contact' the week before. And was deep into reading the Typhonian books by Kenneth Grant.

One night after one of these sessions, I had a dream full of fear. In the dream I was lying on my side in the mud of a basement in a country house, kind of like Blair Witch basement. I knew there was a grey alien causing me extreme terror emotions, on the other side of my body.  I was too scared to roll over. The fear woke me up.

I rolled over, in waking consciousness. i felt something , a presence, on the other side of my bedroom door. I stood up and walked to my door. I was fully awake and lucid at this time, in normal reality. 

I opened the door and saw something standing 2 or 3 metres ahead of me in the dark of the hallway. 

It didn’t appear like a grey, but I 'knew' it was the presence that had entered my dream while I was sleeping. 
As I looked there, with my physical eyes, the form was as black pixels, moving, with maybe a form underneath. Like it was trying to camouflage itself. Maybe 4 or 5 feet tall , but a black silhouette with black pixels shifting on top of it. 

When it saw that I saw it (?) it emitted a noise that to me sounded like a robotic/metallic cat. Like a metallic meow sound of surprise and then shot up vertically through the ceiling and disappeared.

I have never had anything like that happen since. i think it/they decided i was no use or interest to them , at that time.

Since then I have not seen any entities but I did have a few  UFO sightings, one strange thing where it was as if a star was 'talking ' to me. I think it was a human (USA) craft piloting with mind control.  Now that sounds nuts! :D

When you were doing the meditations did you intentionally seek to be contacted? The entity you describe sounds a lot like the figure I see when experiencing sleep paralysis, but it is taller like maybe 6 foot tall, but all black and looks like pixels I say vibrating but I don't really know how to describe it. I have been learning about the benefits of meditation and I think I am going to get more invested into it just reading people's accounts of what they can experience in higher consciousness sounds really interesting. I have the gateway program from the Monroe institute but honestly a little afraid to try it hehehehe.

[sahgwa]

When you were doing the meditations did you intentionally seek to be contacted? The entity you describe sounds a lot like the figure I see when experiencing sleep paralysis, but it is taller like maybe 6 foot tall, but all black and looks like pixels I say vibrating but I don't really know how to describe it. I have been learning about the benefits of meditation and I think I am going to get more invested into it just reading people's accounts of what they can experience in higher consciousness sounds really interesting. I have the gateway program from the Monroe institute but honestly a little afraid to try it hehehehe.

Yes, part of my meditation at that time was geared towards 'contact,' so I think that definitely helped attract attention.
It is my belief that all meditative and deep focus states like intense ritual or prayer, cause the soul to glow and emit a light.  This attracts other intelligences no matter what.

[PhyloCFly]

I wanted to do a poll to see what we all think of "aliens". BUT I can't figure out and I tried searching I can't figure out how to make a poll so here is just a post with my questions I would ask hehehehehe if I could figure out how to make a poll

Do you believe? Do you WANT to believe? Have you experienced undeniable evidence of alien existence?

Also something that comes to mind is the space elevator idea. Now this might be extremely expensive and difficult to maybe actually impossible BUT I just haven't heard much about it recently and I was listening to an old episode of midnight in the desert where this guy was talking about the idea of a space elevator and how it would help with our energy problems/fossil fuels if we can put solar panels directly in space.

I don't know if by now there already are solar panels in space sending energy back to earth but I would think that since all the billion and trillionaires in the world seem so CONCERNED about climate change, why wouldn't they be jumping on this idea? No cloudy days in space right? Just full sun all the time. Also the first one to do it gets most of the profit. Is this why Bezos and Musk are doing their rocketry?

POLL QUESTIONS:

have you encountered solid proof that convinced you of alien entities existing?

Do any examples of UFO or Alien encounters convince you that aliens have indeed visited earth?

Have you personally encountered an alien or other being from beyond earth?

Do you believe because "it's impossible with how large the universe is that other life forms don't exist"

Do you NOT believe because of religious or biblical reasons?

Does it make sense that there seems to have been no mass contact (like....take me to your leader type of contact) ever in the history of the world we have available to us?

In 1956 I was nine and witnessed lights in the midnight sky that were unexplainable from public scientific knowledge of that time. It was either alien or hidden human tech. At the time and for years on I took it as alien.

In 1965, in the high Serrias, I witnessed a flying saucer flying though the high valley I was in for a period of fifteen or so seconds. At the time I took it as alien though it too may have been non-publically known human technology. Again, for years I thought this to be alien.

For decades I took these encounters, among others not so dramatic, as personal examples of slowly presenting themselves to the people of earth. However, since, the fact that this presenting themselves to the people of earth has not progressed, that is in mass encounters or official presentations  such as landings in front of any of the world wide media causes me to doubt this earlier paradigm I held to for so long.

Sure  we have lots of people with stories to tell, but still it all relies upon ''second hand information'' when the question of ''mass proof'' is required. Everything is still masked with mystery and or ''government coverup stories''.

Now as a cynical old man, having learned how gullible we humans are to believing the wildest fantasies as being true, I need to question the entire field of Ufology. In those two examples of my own while I was of presence of mind enough to lock it in my memory, that is to replay it immediately while searching my own wishes to see if they were in line with those wishes or were true examples of something beyond my own personal concoctions I can admit that what I wanted to believe was that they were alien and not just my own fantasies. My own fantasies they were not, they remain now as they were then locked in my memory as they were in the moments of occurrence.

My only questions now are, if this was advanced human tech way back in 56, why in the hell has this tech not advanced to the degree that it is publicly utilized to help our species and the other is if it was alien, why does the cat and mouse game continue.

[Sirius]

I'm still disturbed this question "Does it make sense that there seems to have been no mass contact "

I guess without it the others won't exist.  All I can say is read, seek don't accept feeds. Everything is curated, even your thoughts, you have to step off the path. There is a foundation in your mind with a ladder going up and all you see is what is next to you, placed there since the day you where born. Climbing it and looking around you will get dizzy and fall off onto another plane where you need to build a new foundation and start climbing the ladder again.

[Shoshanna]

In 1956 I was nine and witnessed lights in the midnight sky that were unexplainable from public scientific knowledge of that time. It was either alien or hidden human tech. At the time and for years on I took it as alien.

In 1965, in the high Serrias, I witnessed a flying saucer flying though the high valley I was in for a period of fifteen or so seconds. At the time I took it as alien though it too may have been non-publically known human technology. Again, for years I thought this to be alien.

For decades I took these encounters, among others not so dramatic, as personal examples of slowly presenting themselves to the people of earth. However, since, the fact that this presenting themselves to the people of earth has not progressed, that is in mass encounters or official presentations such as landings in front of any of the world wide media causes me to doubt this earlier paradigm I held to for so long.

Sure we have lots of people with stories to tell, but still it all relies upon ''second hand information'' when the question of ''mass proof'' is required. Everything is still masked with mystery and or ''government coverup stories''.

Now as a cynical old man, having learned how gullible we humans are to believing the wildest fantasies as being true, I need to question the entire field of Ufology. In those two examples of my own while I was of presence of mind enough to lock it in my memory, that is to replay it immediately while searching my own wishes to see if they were in line with those wishes or were true examples of something beyond my own personal concoctions I can admit that what I wanted to believe was that they were alien and not just my own fantasies. My own fantasies they were not, they remain now as they were then locked in my memory as they were in the moments of occurrence.

My only questions now are, if this was advanced human tech way back in 56, why in the hell has this tech not advanced to the degree that it is publicly utilized to help our species and the other is if it was alien, why does the cat and mouse game continue.

BINGO! This has been the conundrum for me, I know eyewitness testimony is not that reliable. I don't doubt people's perceptions of what they've seen. BUT is their perception correct? Like you said these sightings COULD be alien OR man-made. OFTEN I have wondered just like you, if these are man-made things, why hasn't any of this technology made it to the mainstream?

A lot of pop culture/media references and talking points about aliens/ufos but none of it seems to get anywhere toward revealing any truths.

Maybe some of it has but just not the transportation advances. Imagine if we could travel or move freight at the speeds these crafts seem to move.

[Sirius]

BINGO! This has been the conundrum for me, I know eyewitness testimony is not that reliable. I don't doubt people's perceptions of what they've seen. BUT is their perception correct? Like you said these sightings COULD be alien OR man-made. OFTEN I have wondered just like you, if these are man-made things, why hasn't any of this technology made it to the mainstream?

A lot of pop culture/media references and talking points about aliens/ufos but none of it seems to get anywhere toward revealing any truths.

Maybe some of it has but just not the transportation advances. Imagine if we could travel or move freight at the speeds these crafts seem to move.

No...not this or that. Both and other. Revealing truths...nothing is hidden unless you go look for mystery and happen on some clandestine activity.
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There is no world wide media other than the internet and that is still very siloed. Why should they show themselves to USA media instead of Russian or Chinese or even the Congo...it makes no sense. If it comes from anywhere, India and China has the most people, why not start there.

More people would understand and get the message if it was given in Spanish or Mandarin going by language.

Everyone will be upset because they didn't get it and someone else got the honour. No the aliens must please all, make a big show and go to each media house just for us.

Catastrophic disclosure is also a dud, catastrophic for who, the 10%? The rest don't care, they are either hungry or looking for a place to shit. We don't hear their voices, pretend they don't exist. Literally in my country only the smallest fraction of people will have a consternation the rest wouldn't care because they live in misery.

Look at the world, look at numbers, look at how people live. How we treat each other and everything around us.

What will the aliens do? Give everyone houses and food and heal all...why? We did it all, they didn't create this world.

Free energy and world changing technology...all shit fantasies. Who is that person that is going to heal the world? Nobody will do it. We can come together now and we don't.

[PhyloCFly]

BINGO! This has been the conundrum for me, I know eyewitness testimony is not that reliable. I don't doubt people's perceptions of what they've seen. BUT is their perception correct? Like you said these sightings COULD be alien OR man-made. OFTEN I have wondered just like you, if these are man-made things, why hasn't any of this technology made it to the mainstream?

A lot of pop culture/media references and talking points about aliens/ufos but none of it seems to get anywhere toward revealing any truths.

Maybe some of it has but just not the transportation advances. Imagine if we could travel or move freight at the speeds these crafts seem to move.

Ah yes, a conundrum. And maybe that's it. Maybe that conundrum is central to the question.  My expiernce or experiences become secondary information when I tell them to you, just as your do when you tell them to me. The secondary and tertiary and on down the line ask for a mental state in the receiver that it can not experience the original experience, only mimic it and in that it's not the experience that is related, just a watered down story. I think we both know this. Add enough of these watered down stories together and what we end up with is complex fantasies and in some, for long living stories, major religions that ask for the  most amazing practices it's hard for non-believers to not just laugh at.

I think that Muspell, in his reply to you makes a number of solid observations about the issue of either or, human tech or alien.

I am now, at this point thinking along another track, that conundrum. My first experience was not looked for, it was simply laying out in the back yard and looking at the stars. One was moving, before sputnik even and it was not flashing any lights, just a solid star like light, no different in luminosity than any others, just moving in a straight line. Slowly. After a bit I noticed that it was headed straight for another light, straight overhead and wondered how much of it's tangential path would coincide with the stationary star overhead. As it got closer and closer to the stationary light I saw that it could be very very close and as it moved right up to that light I knew it would be a perfect shot. It was, the moving light that I had been watching for maybe five minutes or more disappeared as it came into the same space as the overhead light. But it did not move any farther, it  just ceased, as a light, to be leaving only that one stationary light in its place.

Likewise, the  saucer I witnessed nine years later was not expected. I just noticed movement in a quiet sky where there should be no airplanes or other forms of movement other than may some eagles or other such large birds. But what I saw was clear to me and visible long enough to question my own vision and mental state and take note that it was not my imagination. That is my witness was tempered by doubt of is this real, is this real. My conclusion was yes, it  was.

Yet even as best as I can recount these to you, I know that it is only secondary information. So what I took at the time to be manifestations of a growing catalogue of information of alien contact may have been only experiences to set me a challenge of thought beyond my own unaffected trajectory.

And here I risk sounding crazy, if all that were not enough, right? (note, just as I was typing the word right, the actor on the series my wife was watching said the word right?. Note,Muspell's thread on synchronicity.

Not knowing how far those night lights were from me, maybe thousands of feet or maybe trillions of miles it's difficult to guess which. However, in 1956, living in a major urban area as I was, how many other people would be watching the night sky as I was. And now many of them would have been at exactly the coordinates that I was so that the triangulation of the stationary light and the moving light and me as the perceiver so that the moving light  would just disappear at that very moment.

How far off the chart of rational thinking could it be to wonder if this oddball experience was really an experience carried out for my own benefit. Mine and only mine. More and more I wonder if many of these reported experiences are not so much for the watered down telling and collecting in books to be written by the ''experts for their own profit, but instead, road posts on life's courses for those of us who take the time to notice.