A really big question

[Astyanax]

Double post; see below.

[Astyanax]

The limit is not the size but whether the mass inside the radius exceeds the threshold.

Correct, and it works both ways. You can make a black hole out of a mass of 1mg.
 

The larger an object gets, the lower its average density needs to become a singularity.

Incorrect. There is no specific mass at which objects turn into singularities. 
 

But there are limits on how much mass can be packed into a given size...

Yes, the Schwarzchild radius, at which escape velocity reaches the speed of light.
 

The universe expands, meaning the density is too low on large scales for that to happen.

Are you sure, Andy? Is it possible for light to escape the Universe?

How fast is the boundary of the Universe expanding? 
 

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Retrocausality only seems to be a solution, but a God must already be elevated to Godhood to be able to elevate itself to Godhood. How do you get to step 1?

By moving backwards in time. Consider the nature of spacetime. Either it is a continuum along which physical objects move or change timewise or it is a ‘block universe’ in which past, present and future (as we perceive them) are incorporated within the configuration space of all possible formations of itself. In the first case, there is no going back and the God into which the universe has evolved does not exist in any configuration of the Universe itself. God is time-limited and irrelevant, helpless to alter His own past, because it is already vanished beyond recall. In this model the Universe is uncreated and there is no God except at its terminus.

The second case is more interesting. In this one, time as we know it is just an illusion of perspective. We are temporal beings who have no control over our movements through the configuration space, but God, being all-powerful, could move at will; or to put it another way, God could inhabit only the configurations in which He is evolving towards omniscience and omnipotence. So in this case, yes, He would be able to, so to speak, evolve himself. At least, that is what it would look like from our timebound perspective.
 

And time has different conceptions to different people.

See above.
 

Temporal reversal would not be like running a movie backwards, that is a misunderstanding of what 'physical' time is. If you invert the temporal variables in any physical equation... things proceed in a way different from the reverse of the initial release of the gas - they don't move back into the point from which they were released, because all other variables and forces remain unchanged. The force vectors and particle paths described by physical equations, and that make a gas disperse, would continue to make the gas disperse even if the temporal values were inverted.

For us, yes of course. But ‘with God all things are possible’; surely this should include the painstaking inversion of His route through configuration space, with every physical variable retracing its original path?

Surely God could unbreak a cup, or unscramble an egg?
 

1 second is equivalent to 299,792,458 meters measured along the temporal axis in a multidimensional universe. Yet even that is a relative approximation.

Er, no. You have forgotten the Lorentz equations.
 

The universe seems to self-organizing to find stasis at the lowest energy configuration, not because it is directed to do so, but that is just where things stop. The miraculous only appears miraculous to us. God appears to have discernible method in how thing happen to happen.

But I will caveat all that with, 'I surmise'.

Yes, the caveat is essential. I find the first quoted sentence a little presumptuous; not offensively so, but clearly based on the limits of human understanding. The observation that God can’t be miraculous to Himself is a platitude; He couldn’t be God without complete self-understanding. But doesn’t this observation also support the hypothesis that God is in fact the Universe, as BeyondKnowledge asserts?

I must read Spinoza closely one of these days. Maybe he’s more convincing on the subject than Liebniz.

[Astyanax]

How many suicides rock n roll has been found liable?

They tried to pin a couple on it, but they failed. Long live rock ’n’ roll!
 

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I love rock n roll but have never considered it a suicide trigger.

I think this is probably what Randy meant:

[BeyondKnowledge]

I’m having trouble reconciling these statements.
 

But how do you know?

How do you not know? Are you a npc? 

You mention God is all powerful. Yes but within established limits set by himself.

I see you are judging an entire genre of music by a few songs. Are your other thoughts so stereotypical? I like David Bowie but not every one of his songs. 

If you want a depressing song, I would suggest Christmas Tree Bridge by Loves it!.

Careful or I will post to a link to some songs that are considered by many to be on the worst rock album ever. 

Time and distance are irrevelant to God. Omnipresence is like that.

[Astyanax]

How do you not know? Are you a npc? 

I have no idea what you mean. Where is this God that 'is'? Have you proved the existence of God somehow?
 

You mention God is all powerful. Yes but within established limits set by himself.

Who told you? Did God reveal His limits to you?
 

Time and distance are irrevelant to God. Omnipresence is like that.

Who made you an authority on God?

Are you writing to us from a lunatic asylum? Or from the top of Mount Meru?

[BeyondKnowledge]

I have no idea what you mean. Where is this God that 'is'? Have you proved the existence of God somehow?
 

Who told you? Did God reveal His limits to you?
 

Who told you?

Who made you an authority? Are you writing to us from a lunatic asylum or something?

By most peoples thinking if you prove God exists you are actually proving he doesn't. That is the Bable fish argument. 

I am no authority on anything and yet you are asking me questions. Asking questions is the important part. In this subject, your own answers are more meaningful than answers form anyone else. You are on the Internet where all this information is available. Why ask one person or one source for the answers? 

I am stating my thoughts on this subject not as a source of infallable information but to help others form their own questions that they will find the answers to. 

I am trying to wipe the dirt off the window so you can see for yourself. Too many are happy just looking at the dirty window that someone drew a smiley face on. 

An npc is a non player character. You are proving yourself not to be one.

[Astyanax]

I see you are judging an entire genra of music by a few songs. 

No, sweetie. You are judging me by the videos I posted.

It's spelled 'genre' by the way. Pronounced 'zhon'' in French and 'jonner' in English.

[BeyondKnowledge]

No, sweetie. You are judging me by the videos I posted.

It's spelled 'genre' by the way. Pronounced 'zhon'' in French and 'jonner' in English.

I fell victim to bad typing. I fixed it. I don't really pay much attention to that part of my music player. I have what you would probably call an eclectic taste in music.

About the video, you judged peoples reaction to it. I find most people don't even pay attention to the lyrics if the music is pretty enough.

[Astyanax]

By most peoples thinking if you prove God exists you are actually proving he doesn't.

Oh, I see. Is that why so many Christian philosophers – Thomas Aquinas, John Scotus, St Anselm, Calvin, the list goes on – have presented proofs of God’s existence?

Frankly, I don’t believe you have any idea what other people think. You are sui generis.
 

I am no authority on anything...

And yet you keep making dogmatic statements as if you were the Pope. Do you remember my first words to you on this thread? Go back and read them.
 

...and yet you are asking me questions.

Yes, to try to identify the reasoning behind these absurd dogmatic statements you keep on making. God exists, God is this, God is that, Astyanax is this, Astyanax is that, Astyanax’s idea of rock ’n’ roll is this, blah blah blah.

Ever since the beginning of our conversation I have been trying, so far without success, to find an excuse for your behaviour apart from ‘clueless young egotist shooting his mouth off.’ Care to help me with my quest?
 

I am stating my thoughts on this subject

Then say so, instead of pontificating your ‘thoughts’ as if they were eternal truths. Not one person, apart from you, is making metaphysical statements on this thread without explaining how they arrived at them.
 

I am trying to wipe the dirt off the window so you can see for yourself. Too many are happy just looking at the dirty window that someone drew a smiley face on. 

Oh, really. Well, we’re just having fun here. And when I need your help seeing for myself, O Wise One, I’ll ask you. I’m sure I speak for others on the thread as well when I say this.

[andy06shake]

Are you sure, Andy? Is it possible for light to escape the Universe?

How fast is the boundary of the Universe expanding? 

Nobody is sure, Astyanax, but there is no "outside" for light to escape into.

If you're asking how fast the most distant observable regions are moving away down to cosmic expansion.

I think it is estimated to be around 3 times the speed of light...